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**killclimbz** · 12-10-2012, 02:38 PM

Man, I don't know what is so complicated about using a DSP or a 3+, or most of the other beacons. They all have a simple switch over to search. The simplicity argument is a cop out by BCA because all the other manufacturers have left them in the dust.

hikeswithdogs · 12-10-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by killclimbz

Man, I don't know what is so complicated about using a DSP or a 3+, or most of the other beacons. They all have a simple switch over to search. The simplicity argument is a cop out by BCA because all the other manufacturers have left them in the dust.

Agreed, as far as simplicity I feel like the Pieps and BCA are about the same , Pieps has a LCD readout and BCA has lights but if you know how to work one you can roughly figure out the other in about 10 seconds.

Triple8Sol · 12-12-2012, 02:56 PM

The new movement looks like all companies have released a more basic or simpler beacon. Some might say they're more stripped down, but for a recreational user they will work great. Really no need for some of the more advanced features unless you're a guide or SAR. I figure the easier and more straightforward it is to use, the less time will be wasted fumbling around with it if I ever have to use it. I've like the Tracker2 I've had the past few years, but have passed it on. Just picked up a Pieps Tour, after also considering the Mammut Element, Ortovox 3+, and Arva Axis. I hear BCA is coming out with a Tracker3 but wasn't interested in waiting until next year.

**killclimbz** · 12-12-2012, 03:23 PM

Confusing is guess is the word. Which again, I don't know what is confusing about switching to search. Other bells and whistles are just that. Part of the reason I purchased the Basic DSP where that is all it does.

Pieps Tour is a great Beacon. A basic version of the DSP is all it is for a lot less. Though it won't work with the doggie beacon.

I haven't heard much grumblings about the T3. Though if BCA continues on the path they have been on the last few years, it won't be ready for at least another 3 seasons.

walove · 12-12-2012, 04:36 PM

i have a dsp, starting its 6th year, I ride at bridger bowl and a lot of terrain requires a beacon so this beacon has seen heavy use 50+ days a year. The speaker came loose in the case which causes it to work intermittently. Liberty has offered to replace it for $150, seems fair for a brand new unit. Have not had luck contacting peips directly. I have a peips freeride for a loner when i ride with friends. This is a single antenna model and requires more user know how, not a good choice for a beginner. the range is also less then the dsp. This beacon only sees inbounds action where i feel beacon rules are in place to keep people from getting in over there head.

Rockpen · 12-17-2012, 04:47 PM

I use to have a tracker for the last several years then sometime last year while drinking a few brewskis after a glorius powder day we decided to see who was the fastest as we all had different devices. Long story short the device that beat everybody else was an original Swiss Military issued Barryvox VS 68. This thing was like 30 years old, single antanna, anolog, with just a dial, switch and a speaker. You had to translate the sound to find the other beacons, sort of like tunning into a radio station. Simple, but very, very effective. It cut my search time in half the first time I used it, second and third time was even faster and I've had years of experiance with my tracker. Needless to say I bought a used one since they are no longer make them. After doing more research the newer version (same tech as the old) is called the barryvox 2000 and is used by damn near every professional rescuer in the Swiss and Austrian Alps. Rega and Air Zermatt which are the two heli rescue companies in Switzerland uses a high powered barryvox 2000 and recco exclusively. It makes you wonder if all this triple or soon to be quadruple antanna shit is even necessary when analog seems to be good enough for the pros here. In Colorado I knew some patrollers that still held on to their old F1 transcievers and I always wondered why. Now I know.

**killclimbz** · 12-17-2012, 04:49 PM

I will beat anyone using an analog beacon. Anyone, not even a contest.

Rockpen · 12-17-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by killclimbz

I will beat anyone using an analog beacon. Anyone, not even a contest.

I thought the same, but it simply wasnt true. I was twice as fast with analog as with my tracker and even faster than using my friends Mammut Pulse which is about the dopest device out there.

**killclimbz** · 12-17-2012, 04:58 PM

I stand by my statement. I've got tons of experience with both analog and digital beacons. I smoked a guide not that long ago who swore he was faster than me with his analog beacon. Wasn't even a fair contest.

hikeswithdogs · 12-17-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockpen

I use to have a tracker for the last several years then sometime last year while drinking a few brewskis after a glorius powder day we decided to see who was the fastest as we all had different devices. Long story short the device that beat everybody else was an original Swiss Military issued Barryvox VS 68. This thing was like 30 years old, single antanna, anolog, with just a dial, switch and a speaker. You had to translate the sound to find the other beacons, sort of like tunning into a radio station. Simple, but very, very effective. It cut my search time in half the first time I used it, second and third time was even faster and I've had years of experiance with my tracker. Needless to say I bought a used one since they are no longer make them. After doing more research the newer version (same tech as the old) is called the barryvox 2000 and is used by damn near every professional rescuer in the Swiss and Austrian Alps. Rega and Air Zermatt which are the two heli rescue companies in Switzerland uses a high powered barryvox 2000 and recco exclusively. It makes you wonder if all this triple or soon to be quadruple antanna shit is even necessary when analog seems to be good enough for the pros here. In Colorado I knew some patrollers that still held on to their old F1 transcievers and I always wondered why. Now I know.

Yep one of the old timers I did my avy training with swore by them(as far as distance) and he was FAST with it........but yea it was audio only and the thing looked so old I wasn't even sure I'd trust it out in the field(I'm sure it was fine I know jack shit)

BUT..........in a panic situation with people screaming\crying, heli's flying overhead, dogs barking I don't think I'd trust the average weekend warrior with one over a modern Tracker or Pieps.......also I have no idea how one of those things would handle a multi-burial situation.

Just my .02$

12-12-2012, 02:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
Triple8Sol Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 3,686 Blog Entries: 1	The new movement looks like all companies have released a more basic or simpler beacon. Some might say they're more stripped down, but for a recreational user they will work great. Really no need for some of the more advanced features unless you're a guide or SAR. I figure the easier and more straightforward it is to use, the less time will be wasted fumbling around with it if I ever have to use it. I've like the Tracker2 I've had the past few years, but have passed it on. Just picked up a Pieps Tour, after also considering the Mammut Element, Ortovox 3+, and Arva Axis. I hear BCA is coming out with a Tracker3 but wasn't interested in waiting until next year. __________________ 14 NeverSummer Proto HD . 13 Never Summer Cobra . 12 Gnu Rider's Choice C2PTX 14 Now Drive . 13 Now IPO 13 NB x 686 580

12-12-2012, 04:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
walove Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bozeman/Seattle Posts: 659	i have a dsp, starting its 6th year, I ride at bridger bowl and a lot of terrain requires a beacon so this beacon has seen heavy use 50+ days a year. The speaker came loose in the case which causes it to work intermittently. Liberty has offered to replace it for $150, seems fair for a brand new unit. Have not had luck contacting peips directly. I have a peips freeride for a loner when i ride with friends. This is a single antenna model and requires more user know how, not a good choice for a beginner. the range is also less then the dsp. This beacon only sees inbounds action where i feel beacon rules are in place to keep people from getting in over there head. __________________ SHRED HAPPENS

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12-10-2012, 02:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,179	Man, I don't know what is so complicated about using a DSP or a 3+, or most of the other beacons. They all have a simple switch over to search. The simplicity argument is a cop out by BCA because all the other manufacturers have left them in the dust.

12-12-2012, 03:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,179	Confusing is guess is the word. Which again, I don't know what is confusing about switching to search. Other bells and whistles are just that. Part of the reason I purchased the Basic DSP where that is all it does. Pieps Tour is a great Beacon. A basic version of the DSP is all it is for a lot less. Though it won't work with the doggie beacon. I haven't heard much grumblings about the T3. Though if BCA continues on the path they have been on the last few years, it won't be ready for at least another 3 seasons.

12-17-2012, 04:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
Rockpen Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Swiss Alps Posts: 78	I use to have a tracker for the last several years then sometime last year while drinking a few brewskis after a glorius powder day we decided to see who was the fastest as we all had different devices. Long story short the device that beat everybody else was an original Swiss Military issued Barryvox VS 68. This thing was like 30 years old, single antanna, anolog, with just a dial, switch and a speaker. You had to translate the sound to find the other beacons, sort of like tunning into a radio station. Simple, but very, very effective. It cut my search time in half the first time I used it, second and third time was even faster and I've had years of experiance with my tracker. Needless to say I bought a used one since they are no longer make them. After doing more research the newer version (same tech as the old) is called the barryvox 2000 and is used by damn near every professional rescuer in the Swiss and Austrian Alps. Rega and Air Zermatt which are the two heli rescue companies in Switzerland uses a high powered barryvox 2000 and recco exclusively. It makes you wonder if all this triple or soon to be quadruple antanna shit is even necessary when analog seems to be good enough for the pros here. In Colorado I knew some patrollers that still held on to their old F1 transcievers and I always wondered why. Now I know.

12-17-2012, 04:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,179	I will beat anyone using an analog beacon. Anyone, not even a contest.

12-17-2012, 04:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,179	I stand by my statement. I've got tons of experience with both analog and digital beacons. I smoked a guide not that long ago who swore he was faster than me with his analog beacon. Wasn't even a fair contest.