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Copper Mountain has been sold

Copper Mountain has been sold to Park City Utah based Powdr Corp.

Freeskier Magazine: Copper Mountain sold to POWDR Corp.

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And there goes Copper Mountain...

Seriously, Powdr Corp? Like the worst operator out there. I foresee a new back country play spot in my not too distant future!
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Looks like this will be the last season for the Copper/WP season pass and the last for the Wells Fargo 2 for 1 pass deal too.
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Copper mtn will now become the premiere destination resort in the rockies. With world class accommodations, terrain, nightlife, and events. Well not really but theyll have enough money to hype it up to where folks will believe it haha.
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Is PowdrCorp really all that bad for Copper?

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Well Powdr Corp does seem to care about Park City, but look at how they treat Bachelor. That area is in need of some serious attention and they don't seem to be interested in giving it any. I believe they had to close some chairs last year due to them not spending the money on maintenance. I know Bachelor locals are pissed at how shitty that resort is ran.

Here's some of the possible fall out I see from this.

1. I don't see Copper as being able to survive as a single resort operating in Vail resort territory. Sure Loveland has pulled it off, but Loveland is a much shorter drive not requiring you to go through Summit County. I see no advantages to Copper that would attract people to get a season pass there instead of the Vail resorts option. In that scenario, I would see Copper dying a slow death, opening up a sweet new spot to go earn your turns in 5-10 years. Of course real estate there says this probably wouldn't happen. I could see a lot of huge lawsuits from property owners at the mountain over this. Still, buildings in shoddy repair, lifts constantly breaking, etc, will probably become the norm.

2. Part of the reason we in Colorado have enjoyed relatively cheap season passes to major resorts is the Intrawest/Vail resorts two way fight. These two have kept the prices down. Before that, it was almost $800 for a season pass to Winterpark, Breck, or Keystone. Pick one and that is where your season pass was good for. There was the old Summit pass in the early 90's that went for $800 for all the Summit County resorts. Either way, without the competition from Intrawest, I am not so sure Vail resorts will be so motivated to roll out the pass deals they have. I could easily see them starting to charge $800 for their Summit county spots and $1200 for Vail/Beaver creek again. Everyone else would quickly follow suit.

3. Of course Intrawest and Powdr Corp may realize they don't have much of a chance running as single entities vs Vail resorts. So maybe they'll figure out a way to keep the combined offer going. Maybe. I am not counting on it with the brain trust that is running both of these corporations...
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I see scenario #2 - pass prices going up significantly for everyone next season. No need to put Vail on sale anymore.

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3. Of course Intrawest and Powdr Corp may realize they don't have much of a chance running as single entities vs Vail resorts. So maybe they'll figure out a way to keep the combined offer going. Maybe. I am not counting on it with the brain trust that is running both of these corporations...
I hope that your last scenario holds true. In today's ski economy in CO, why would any resort try to go it alone unless they had something awesome to offer? While Copper is nice, if I had to choose between spending $500 for the Epic pass and spending $350 for a Copper pass, who in their right mind wouldn't get the Epic pass?

If Copper and WP don't partner up again, I guess it could be a good thing for those looking for a resort that won't be packed. Because I'm sure there are a number of people that only ride Copper because it's part of the Copper/WP pass. So maybe Copper could thrive as a larger Loveland. Someplace without massive lines?
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I agree that 2 is the most likely outcome. Though it may take another season or two for them to catch on. Then again, maybe not. I'd be prepared to starting ponying up around $800 minimum for a pass. They were doing fine with that model for years. Of course on the flip side, day pass deals will probably be a lot more prevalent.
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I hope that your last scenario holds true. In today's ski economy in CO, why would any resort try to go it alone unless they had something awesome to offer? While Copper is nice, if I had to choose between spending $500 for the Epic pass and spending $350 for a Copper pass, who in their right mind wouldn't get the Epic pass?

If Copper and WP don't partner up again, I guess it could be a good thing for those looking for a resort that won't be packed. Because I'm sure there are a number of people that only ride Copper because it's part of the Copper/WP pass. So maybe Copper could thrive as a larger Loveland. Someplace without massive lines?
Problem with Copper thriving like Loveland is that the drive to/from Vail-Summit county is still going to be a shit show. Part of Loveland's charm is you can get a pretty full day and still get out of there before traffic gets bad. Plus you are looking at I70 traffic all day there, so you know when it's time to get out. Copper, not so much.
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