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post #2401 of 6607 (permalink) Old 02-22-2014, 11:34 PM
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Kind of sad people care more about a shack than the fact an avalanche ripped in bounds and created a new run.
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That is the newly ripped Chute 1.5 on the backside of Copper. Naturally triggered and ripped from out of bounds to in bounds.

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So the new run in that pic is the smaller path? I haven't been to Copper in a couple years...Tucker Mountain is badass. The only day we were gonna do it a few years ago, conditions didn't allow (blizzard).

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The one on the left is Chute 1 the one on the right is the slide path from the avy that now created chute 1.5. Tucker is closed currently while they assess and mitigate the potential avy danger. But this should be a rude awakening for people that is inbounds terrain.

Whales Tail at Breck had a giant slide that the crown was easily 10 plus feet deep and a couple hundred feet long. Contest bowl on Peak 8 had a slide while the resort was open that took out 3 people. No one was hurt or killed, but it still happened.

Smoke shacks will come and go. While the emotional toil this seems to be taking on people is rather comical to me as logic and reasoning have gone out the window another will replace that. Every year they cut down various log jibs at Breck because someone gets injured and every year new ones pop up.

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I would have assumed you'd Be a little disappointed that it blew up. It is a part of recent breck history after all..... I expect quite a few more Across vail resorts to go down in the next week.... Patrollers and mtn ops know about most shacks but don't care until something like this happens.....
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The slides are crazy this year, I saw three yesterday in the morning when they opened the backside finally.... Three different spots along the genghis cornices and all of lovers leap slid this morning or last night....
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I had to drive to Grand Junction early last week and I lost count of the number of slides I saw. Glenwood Canyon was especially crazy. Literally every little chute that held snow had slid.

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Oh fuck! Change of plans! I was drankin' pretty hard tonight thinking tomorrow was gonna be a bust after Opensnow's afternoon update.

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Like I said shacks will come and go, log jibs will come and go, you rebuild and build on the memories. I don't smoke or care to smoke so it doesn't concern me. More pissed at how Vail Resorts co-oped with Inside Edition and made Breckenridge look like its full of idiots that are out of control. Not exactly going to help tourism. Then again this also came out just in time for Spring Break and to "scare" people.

They were blasting awfully low on the mountain yesterday so my guess is at least 3 or 4 more shacks got taken out. Just hoping the log jibs are fine. Those are real history that matters.

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Ha! I could have told you today was going to be a good day. Spent the day at Bert on Saturday and it was excellent. Snowing off and on all day and around 4" received while I was there.

On a side note, I did some digging around. There is a rather large slab about mid snow pack. It thick and strong, but sitting upon a house of cards. Maybe 2-3 feet down depending on where you are at. Find a weak spot in that thing and if it has room to run, you're dead. No airbag, avalung, beacon, is going to save your ass.

Did an ECT got an easy failure on the storm slab at 4 from the wrist. Last weeks storm snow/wind slab went at 10 from the arm and almost propagated across the block. I could not get the slab to move.

What scares me is that the wind slab layer is getting loaded and is showing some energy. With more snow, it is going to have more energy. Get that to pop, it'll go wide, add enough load from that avalanche and that big thick slab just may go. Then you are taking out full grown mature trees. Anyone who goes for a ride in that is done.

Of course, my observations were from one aspect, well below treeline and protected. I am not bothering with the alpine. Ymmv, but I suspect a similar set up is all over the Front Range/Summit county-Vail zones.
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Ha! I could have told you today was going to be a good day. Spent the day at Bert on Saturday and it was excellent. Snowing off and on all day and around 4" received while I was there.

On a side note, I did some digging around. There is a rather large slab about mid snow pack. It thick and strong, but sitting upon a house of cards. Maybe 2-3 feet down depending on where you are at. Find a weak spot in that thing and if it has room to run, you're dead. No airbag, avalung, beacon, is going to save your ass.

Did an ECT got an easy failure on the storm slab at 4 from the wrist. Last weeks storm snow/wind slab went at 10 from the arm and almost propagated across the block. I could not get the slab to move.

What scares me is that the wind slab layer is getting loaded and is showing some energy. With more snow, it is going to have more energy. Get that to pop, it'll go wide, add enough load from that avalanche and that big thick slab just may go. Then you are taking out full grown mature trees. Anyone who goes for a ride in that is done.

Of course, my observations were from one aspect, well below treeline and protected. I am not bothering with the alpine. Ymmv, but I suspect a similar set up is all over the Front Range/Summit county-Vail zones.
I usually read and pay attention to the avy info you and others post here. Mostly cuz I don't know squat about the subject. With that in mind,..

I wanted to ask,.. For someone considering a trip west and planning on doing ONLY Inbounds riding? For the sake of safety, for anyone not used to, or making their first visit to these CO. or other western resorts,.. do you think that person should take some sort of basic avy course/training before or soon after arrival? (...Not knowing anything at all about the layout of runs or terrain for any of these places.) I was just wondering if it is relatively easy to get oneself in trouble even when basically trying to stick to marked trails or maybe hitting POW stashes on the margins of said trails?

I know I have read that "inbound" avy's Do happen, but that also seems like a rare or highly unusual occurrence.(?) Yes, no?

...This just seemed like a pertinent question considering the level of danger that seems to be present out your way this season.

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Ski Patrol does a pretty awesome job of keeping the inbounds safe.

Most of the problem areas are in regards to going into the well tree'd areas. If you think the snow is not acting right, it probably is.

The biggest thing is to look above you. If you are traversing under a steep slope in the trees, is it open? Is it a big rock slab covered with snow? Maybe you don't want to do that. If it looks like the snow could slide down right on top of you, it probably can. Might just want to go down a little to avoid that. Several avalanche deaths in the backcountry this year have been in this fashion.

Overall though, no you do not need to take an avalanche class. Just keep your eyes open. If something looks sketchy, it probably is.
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