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AlexWhyte 03-10-2013 01:19 PM

Review / let down by Lib Tech Skunk Ape HP
 
The good parts:

Love, love how it rides. Came from a burton custome camber. Took a day to get used to the rocker but it was well worth it. All the hype is true: easy to lift in powder, switches/turns beautifully, magnatraction keeps you on your line.

If it wasn't for what I'm about to write below I'd be a live-long lib tech buyer

The bad bits:

The bio bean top sheet is terrible. It gets cut to ribbons by anything that touches it. It's too soft. You're left with chunks missing and sharp burs. Actually ruined my new gloves, all the nicks ripped my gloves carrying the board around (maybe the only thing softer than the top sheet is your gloves and jacket that it'll rip holes in.

Even worse, the core snapped at the nose. Note sure which happened first, the break in the core or the creases in the top sheet - which could have lead to weakening the compressive strength.

End result:

I don't trust bio bean top sheets. Not sure i want another LT board because of this. Which is a shame because I was loving it.

Not idea if the nose/core snapping was a bad piece of wood or a reflection of all their boards. The skunk ape HP is meant to be for big guys, I'm not good enough to b jumping off mountains, I'm on piste and popping a few basic tricks - there's no reason this plank should have snapped.

I'll post a pic when I figure out how to

AlexWhyte 03-10-2013 01:37 PM

Oh. I'd love to hear about anyone else's view on LT's bio top sheets and board strength.

freshy 03-10-2013 01:43 PM

I'm not trying to defend Lib, no one makes a perfect product. But seems like no boards could hold up to the abuse your putting them thru. Nicks in the topsheet are normal for any board, if you had burrs you could have cut em off. And there is no core in the tips and tails of Libs boards. So if you snapped it before the curve on the nose you may have core damage, but the way you described it sounds like not.
To post a pic host it somewhere else like flicker then post like this [img]copy http here[/img]
I'm curious to see what your actually talking about.

AlexWhyte 03-10-2013 01:57 PM

Thanks for the reply, I think you might have misread what I've used it for. This happened 4 days into first using it. I ride on pisted blues. Not good enough to be doing anything crazy.

Regarding the burrs. My last board was in better topsheetcondition after 10 weeks of use. Yes i could have cut the burrs off (and carried a knife with me), but my board would like my board was used as a chew toy for a shark. The bio beans doesn't seems like a suitable material for general commercial use.

Also not having an edge around the nose is a let down, I got a massive gash in base at the nose when I clipped someone's ski.

freshy 03-10-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexWhyte (Post 821722)
Thanks for the reply, I think you might have misread what I've used it for. This happened 4 days into first using it. I ride on pisted blues. Not good enough to be doing anything crazy.

Regarding the burrs. My last board was in better topsheetcondition after 10 weeks of use. Yes i could have cut the burrs off (and carried a knife with me), but my board would like my board was used as a chew toy for a shark. The bio beans doesn't seems like a suitable material for general commercial use.

Also not having an edge around the nose is a let down, I got a massive gash in base at the nose when I clipped someone's ski.

4 days into it, contact Mervin right away. Their customer service as awesome and they will probably ship you a new board right away.

Not having a wrap around edge is good, You would be paying more to fix it if you bent the edge when you hit that skier. That gash is easy and cheap to fix, if you hit hard enough to make a big gash you probably would have caved in the edge. Again a pic would help tons.
And you have a knife at home do you not?
I have honestly have not really heard anything good or bad about the bio beans topsheet. But I trust Mervin knows what they are doing with their technology.

AlexWhyte 03-10-2013 02:20 PM

Here's the pics. I should have taken a recent one before I returned it to the store to show the two creases met

http://flic.kr/p/e2ccnb

http://flic.kr/p/e2ccob

AlexWhyte 03-10-2013 02:22 PM

http://flic.kr/p/e2ccob

http://flic.kr/p/e2ccnb

AlexWhyte 03-10-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freshy (Post 821746)
4 days into it, contact Mervin right away. Their customer service as awesome and they will probably ship you a new board right away.

Not having a wrap around edge is good, You would be paying more to fix it if you bent the edge when you hit that skier. That gash is easy and cheap to fix, if you hit hard enough to make a big gash you probably would have caved in the edge. Again a pic would help tons.
And you have a knife at home do you not?
I have honestly have not really heard anything good or bad about the bio beans topsheet. But I trust Mervin knows what they are doing with their technology.

Skier slid into my nose waiting on the lift. Yes I could cut the burs out but it'll leave it looking like crap. My comparison is that I didn't have this experience with the top sheet on my last board, or from any of my friends boards during the holiday. As we all had to put up with bashing boards against pushy French skiers but my board comes out looking like its been in a fight with Freddie Kruger.


I've emailed lib tech. Told them about my experience. That've taken it to my local store where I bought it (who are returning it to LT for me).

Of the two bad things, I'd like to split them up and view them like this.
  • The 'snap'/crease or whatever happened to the nose is just a defect and not a fair representation of their builds.
  • the softness / burrs in the bio beans top sheet is because they aren't as tough as a typical board and I should look at a LT board with a standard finish (e.g. The normal skunk ape)


More than happy to try another one of their boards as they ride great.

freshy 03-10-2013 03:56 PM

Woah those pics are fucked up. Definitely seems like a manufacturing flaw or something. Hope it all works out good for you.
I have a lib from 07 with the golden fleece topsheet and there is almost no damage to it. Just had a bit of delamming on the tail from slamming on it and a few tiny chips on the topsheet.

AlexWhyte 03-10-2013 05:02 PM

Glad it sounds like a fault and not the norm. Want to love their boards.

Should have taken a pic from the side that shows the layers separating (I.e. th gap forming between the top sheet and the gap forming between the bottom and middle sheet.)


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