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Old 09-29-2013, 11:03 AM   #3891 (permalink)
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Probably most of y'all have seen this already but I figured I'd post it up anyways.



Also news out of northern Michigan as of yesterday, according to the news and his websites, Liko Smith finally purchased Sugar Loaf and is planning on turning it in to a "snowboarder's mecca", to open next year.

Liko Smith Purchases Sugar Loaf Resort, Plans “Snowboarder Mecca” for 2014
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:56 PM   #3892 (permalink)
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The question is will it actually have "the worlds greatest park" something Michigan is lacking imo.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:22 PM   #3893 (permalink)
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The question is will it actually have "the worlds greatest park" something Michigan is lacking imo.
Yep that's a big question for sure. But good parks are not exactly lacking -- Nubs puts on a good one, Shanty Creek is doing good stuff, Bittersweet and Cannonsburg and Hawk Island and now Mt. Brighton... there's plenty of good parks in the state. What's this one going to do differently or better?

Also the question of whether it will be run by no-talent ass-clowns, like his old hotel chain. Also the question of what's the price point? Keeping in mind that Traverse City is fairly remote -- from any point in the south 1/2 of the state, Sugar Loaf is as far away or farther, than other resorts, excepting maybe Highlands/Nubs. OTOH, proximity to Traverse City is a good thing because it gives you options for dining, nightlife, etc. and makes up for the lack of on-site lodging (150 rooms is not very many).
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Old 09-30-2013, 08:04 AM   #3894 (permalink)
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I was up there last weekend and talking with some restaurant owners they were aware of this, but not optimistic at all. The amount of money it is going to take to get it back running is ridiculous. They said the main problem is the golf course is no longer a part of sugar loaf which means there is no way currently for the resort to make money in the summer which is how the majority of places work in michigan. While Traverse City and up to Glen Arbor thrive in the summer, the winter is dead up there. Gearing it towards snowboarders sounds awesome, but they have to realize it's the parents that are planning trips/weekends up there and chances are they are not snowboarders.

I guess we'll see in year!
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The question is will it actually have "the worlds greatest park" something Michigan is lacking imo.
haha, people from out west will be coming here now! 2015 X-Games The RoK, "The superpipe runs from the top of the mountain to the bottom!"
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Old 09-30-2013, 09:23 AM   #3896 (permalink)
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They said the main problem is the golf course is no longer a part of sugar loaf
This is not to be understated. Even in a good season that spans the entire months of December, January, February and April, that is only 1/3 of the year, and during that time there are maybe 3 "money" weeks (spring break/midwinter break, Christmas), and a few weekends where you might reasonably expect to be at full capacity. Otherwise, you only make money on the weekends: midweek turnout at these resorts up north is basically non-existent, although again proximity to TC and the recent troubles at Mt. Holiday, Sugar Loaf might fare better; but then there's the "snowboarder" angle. If you create the anti-Deer Valley, you're basically alienating 50% of your potential customers. Now maybe that's not what they're going for but creating a resort that is focused primarily on its park also alienates pretty much anyone over 25, i.e., anyone with disposable income.

The resort was listed at $5.7MM. I have no idea what the sale price was. But suffice to say it was in the several millions of dollars, Vail is pumping $10MM in to Brighton to rehab the facilities, grooming, snowmaking, equipment, etc.; Sugar Loaf is 4x as many acres and includes amenities like on-site lodging that aren't available at Brighton. Also, while Brighton was a crap-hole, at least it was operational if not outdated. Sugar Loaf's hardware has been rotting in the elements, it's unlikely that much of what's there is salvageable after a decade of neglect. Chairlifts, drainage/conveyance of H20 for the snow guns, etc., are huge costs. Etc.

TL/DR I'm still skeptical.
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I just don't see it happening. Skiers are already pissing and moaning about the snowboard angle. It's absolutely moronic to alienate more than 50% of your potential customers, and yes, skiers outnumber us at all of the resorts up there and Dave brought up a good point, if it's going to be a park focused hill then take that 40% you had and cut that down by another 20%, with that excluded group being mainly money earners and not kids of money earners.
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I'm hoping -- but not crossing my fingers -- that they respond to my inquiries. They did re-post my article on their FB page this morning, though, with a rather cryptic comment.
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I'm hoping -- but not crossing my fingers -- that they respond to my inquiries. They did re-post my article on their FB page this morning, though, with a rather cryptic comment.
OOooo, what was the comment? Can't get FB at work.
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OOooo, what was the comment? Can't get FB at work.
I say "cryptic" because I'm not sure it was actually aimed at me. It could be interpreted one of at least two ways:

* Haters should read this article
* This article was written by a hater

I'm inclined to think it's intended to be the former; as in: "We know there are haters out there but we are going to do good things and here is an article about our project that y'all should read."
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