Review: 2012 Never Summer Proto CT - Page 14 - Snowboarding Forum

Leo · 02-20-2011, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip11

Do you like this more or the Banana Magic Leo?

Different types of boards. I love the magic for just riding, laying down carves, and charging. I would really love to have the magic on a big powder Mt.

The proto is my favorite all-mountain freestyle true twin so far.

I love both boards equally for their respective target rider style.

I'm guessing that the NS raptor is a better comparison to the Magic.

dice · 02-21-2011, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo

Remember, the proto has blunted tips. The effective edge makes it ride longer than the actual length. So if the tips weren't blunted, it would probably measure to 158 or 158.5.

Since you would like a 158.5, get the 157 because it is basically that size.

I did not really mean it like that! I was JK on the 158.5. I'm just struglin' between a 157 which will be tighter to throw around or the 160 which will probably hold better at speed & jumps (relatively speaking that is).

Leo · 02-21-2011, 09:20 AM

If you still want to lay down aggressive carves, get the 160 for sure. The 157 will be more playful though. I actually wish I had the 155 when I took it into tight trees.

SnowKanin · 02-21-2011, 09:46 AM

Wow, this thread sure has blown up for you Leo! This board will be sold out next season in no-time, I'm sure!

Ok, since others are asking, and Vman is in this thread as well, I'll ask both of you about the size of Proto I should more than likely be looking at. My main concern on choosing a size is the waist width, I'm not quite sure if I'd be better off going with a CTX (wide) with my stats. I weigh 205-210, I'm 6'1", and I wear a size 11 Nike Zoom Force... which is a LARGE boot. On my current ride, a 160w Sierra Crew, I have a waist width of 259, duck stance -15/12, and I overhang about a 1/2-3/4 of an inch off of both front and back of the board... the front a little more but the toe does curve up pretty well. I was hitting some hard carves this past weekend and did'nt notice any draggage whatsoever. My style is playful, and although I'm fairly new I find myself running up the sides of trails and hitting whatever bumps and little jumps I can. Will I get by with the 157 or possibly 160CT? Or should I be looking at a 158 CTX... possibly even a 155??

This will be my do everything/freestyle/all-mountain and powder board. But I stick to trails and groomers mostly and spend a little time in the park.

What do you guys think?

Leo · 02-21-2011, 10:53 AM

I don't have my NS catalog handy right now, so I'll give you specifics if Vman doesn't beat me to it. I do know that my 157 Proto has around a 25.3cm (don't remember off hand) waist.

Size 11 boots are usually alright with boards with at least 25cm waist. Remember, the board is wider than the waist at the insert points where your boots sit on. Half and inch overhang is really small. I've had as much as 1" overhang, but I don't lay down fatty Euro carves like you have in your avatar. Mainly because we don't really have the slopes for that type of riding here or else I'd definitely give that a shot lol.

Weight and style wise, I'd say get the 160. It might be a 159cm, don't recall. Either way, it will ride slightly longer than the given length.

Anything below the 157 is going to be super soft for you so stability will become an issue in my opinion.

SnowKanin · 02-21-2011, 12:32 PM

Got the specs for ya! The 157 is 25.3, 160 is 25.5, 155 CTX is 26.1, and 158 CTX is 26.4.

I still think I might like the shorter 157 or 158, especially since both have the same effective edge (125) as my Sierra Crew. Which is a great board by the way, its taught me how to carve and hold an edge properly, and I'm having a blast beating on it for my first "beginner" season. Soo glad I got my own board versus renting, lol!

Now I'm just looking forward to getting a serious, playful, do everything board for next season... while I keep riding and beating the heck out of this one this year. My addiction is growing... yes indeed....

Leo · 02-21-2011, 01:22 PM

I think the CTX will be too wide for you. If the waist is already 26.1, then it is even more at the inserts. With size 11 boots, this is unnecessary.

At 205lbs, I think the 157 is the lowest you should go. Even then, the 160 will be more stable for sure. You weigh 30lbs more than I do and I ride the 157. The lowest I would go for myself is the 155.

You seem to be pretty dead set on the 157. I say go for it. I mean it's not going to be super unstable or anything. It'll just be more lively for you than it would be for me. Keep in mind it already feels lively to me.

All I can say is, if I was your weight and boot size, I'd be on the 160 without a doubt as my quiver of one board.

By the way, I just realized the fatty Euro carver is Dice haha. Mistook you for him earlier.

SnowKanin · 02-21-2011, 02:50 PM

lol, I was wondering if you knew who asked what... but you kind of answered both of our questions... so its all good.

Good advice! I'd been leaning more toward the regular sizes as well.

So you think I'd miss out on the playfulness, jibbing, butterability of the 157 by much with the 160? Thats the only thing I'm wondering about right now. I am in pretty decent shape at this weight, so I doubt I'll ever get below 200 again. I just know I want something I can maneuver and manipulate more than my Crew, but I've never ridden a twin, rockered board either... so I'm sure I'll notice quite a difference just switching board types.

Vman · 02-21-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pmoa

Nice! My Maryland board shop wont order it....better not sellout!

There's going to plenty shops that will be ordering the Proto. I'm sure Ownes in Waldorf/Gambrills will be carrying some as will some of our other fine Maryland dealers and you know Gilly's in Mass will.

dice · 02-21-2011, 07:05 PM

Haha! I figured it answered my Q anyway so it's all good! Actually, what I'm looking at is 158 or 160 CTX with my 11.5 boots! 25.5 could be too tight. Though current I have 25.8 with absolutely no issues. But that is my absolute ww minimum!

02-21-2011, 09:20 AM	#133 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,200	If you still want to lay down aggressive carves, get the 160 for sure. The 157 will be more playful though. I actually wish I had the 155 when I took it into tight trees. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

02-21-2011, 09:46 AM	#134 (permalink)
SnowKanin Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 76	Wow, this thread sure has blown up for you Leo! This board will be sold out next season in no-time, I'm sure! Ok, since others are asking, and Vman is in this thread as well, I'll ask both of you about the size of Proto I should more than likely be looking at. My main concern on choosing a size is the waist width, I'm not quite sure if I'd be better off going with a CTX (wide) with my stats. I weigh 205-210, I'm 6'1", and I wear a size 11 Nike Zoom Force... which is a LARGE boot. On my current ride, a 160w Sierra Crew, I have a waist width of 259, duck stance -15/12, and I overhang about a 1/2-3/4 of an inch off of both front and back of the board... the front a little more but the toe does curve up pretty well. I was hitting some hard carves this past weekend and did'nt notice any draggage whatsoever. My style is playful, and although I'm fairly new I find myself running up the sides of trails and hitting whatever bumps and little jumps I can. Will I get by with the 157 or possibly 160CT? Or should I be looking at a 158 CTX... possibly even a 155?? This will be my do everything/freestyle/all-mountain and powder board. But I stick to trails and groomers mostly and spend a little time in the park. What do you guys think? Last edited by SnowKanin; 02-21-2011 at 09:49 AM.

02-21-2011, 10:53 AM	#135 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,200	I don't have my NS catalog handy right now, so I'll give you specifics if Vman doesn't beat me to it. I do know that my 157 Proto has around a 25.3cm (don't remember off hand) waist. Size 11 boots are usually alright with boards with at least 25cm waist. Remember, the board is wider than the waist at the insert points where your boots sit on. Half and inch overhang is really small. I've had as much as 1" overhang, but I don't lay down fatty Euro carves like you have in your avatar. Mainly because we don't really have the slopes for that type of riding here or else I'd definitely give that a shot lol. Weight and style wise, I'd say get the 160. It might be a 159cm, don't recall. Either way, it will ride slightly longer than the given length. Anything below the 157 is going to be super soft for you so stability will become an issue in my opinion. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

02-21-2011, 01:22 PM	#137 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,200	I think the CTX will be too wide for you. If the waist is already 26.1, then it is even more at the inserts. With size 11 boots, this is unnecessary. At 205lbs, I think the 157 is the lowest you should go. Even then, the 160 will be more stable for sure. You weigh 30lbs more than I do and I ride the 157. The lowest I would go for myself is the 155. You seem to be pretty dead set on the 157. I say go for it. I mean it's not going to be super unstable or anything. It'll just be more lively for you than it would be for me. Keep in mind it already feels lively to me. All I can say is, if I was your weight and boot size, I'd be on the 160 without a doubt as my quiver of one board. By the way, I just realized the fatty Euro carver is Dice haha. Mistook you for him earlier. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

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02-21-2011, 12:32 PM	#136 (permalink)
SnowKanin Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 76	Got the specs for ya! The 157 is 25.3, 160 is 25.5, 155 CTX is 26.1, and 158 CTX is 26.4. I still think I might like the shorter 157 or 158, especially since both have the same effective edge (125) as my Sierra Crew. Which is a great board by the way, its taught me how to carve and hold an edge properly, and I'm having a blast beating on it for my first "beginner" season. Soo glad I got my own board versus renting, lol! Now I'm just looking forward to getting a serious, playful, do everything board for next season... while I keep riding and beating the heck out of this one this year. My addiction is growing... yes indeed....

02-21-2011, 02:50 PM	#138 (permalink)
SnowKanin Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 76	lol, I was wondering if you knew who asked what... but you kind of answered both of our questions... so its all good. Good advice! I'd been leaning more toward the regular sizes as well. So you think I'd miss out on the playfulness, jibbing, butterability of the 157 by much with the 160? Thats the only thing I'm wondering about right now. I am in pretty decent shape at this weight, so I doubt I'll ever get below 200 again. I just know I want something I can maneuver and manipulate more than my Crew, but I've never ridden a twin, rockered board either... so I'm sure I'll notice quite a difference just switching board types.

02-21-2011, 07:05 PM	#140 (permalink)
dice Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Montreal, QC (Canada) Posts: 187	Haha! I figured it answered my Q anyway so it's all good! Actually, what I'm looking at is 158 or 160 CTX with my 11.5 boots! 25.5 could be too tight. Though current I have 25.8 with absolutely no issues. But that is my absolute ww minimum!