Review: 2012 Never Summer Proto CT - Page 25 - Snowboarding Forum

Leo · 04-05-2011, 06:47 AM

He said he's doing 50/50 park vs freeride. I'd honestly say he should be on the 159 Proto. A big reason why I am now a fan of true twins is because I feel more centered when I am doing things like butters and jibbing. It's not just spinning off kickers, but even spinning flat is easier on a true twin. Presses and all that good stuff is just more fun on a true twin to me. Switch riding is also easier on a true twin.

For pure freeriding, I'd go directional all day long. 50/50 park and freeride is the Proto's domain in my opinion.

lonerider · 04-05-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo

He said he's doing 50/50 park vs freeride. I'd honestly say he should be on the 159 Proto. A big reason why I am now a fan of true twins is because I feel more centered when I am doing things like butters and jibbing. It's not just spinning off kickers, but even spinning flat is easier on a true twin. Presses and all that good stuff is just more fun on a true twin to me. Switch riding is also easier on a true twin.

For pure freeriding, I'd go directional all day long. 50/50 park and freeride is the Proto's domain in my opinion.

Everything you just listed was jibbing related and mvandevegte said he wasn't doing jibbing. Let's realize I'm only comparing the 2012 SL (which itself is a near-twin) to the 2012 Proto CT (which is a true twin). I don't think that riding switch on the SL is noticeably harder than on the Proto CT (if it is... you need to just practice riding switch more

). Overall, I just happen to personally feel that the benefits of true twins are over-emphasized

50/50 Parks used to be SL territory in my mind (with the Premier being the full freeride board)... but now that I think about it more I think you are right in that Proto CT should now take over that role and I do think mvandevegte will love the board if he gets one.

Leo · 04-05-2011, 10:41 AM

Ah, I missed the part about him not jibbing. Well, off kickers too I like the Proto more than my other boards. The pop on it is just too good haha. That's really the only reason why though. The extra pop is nice for kickers or rollers or hips or gaps or hadoukens.

Yea, I hear the SL is only slightly setback. I'm thinking differences more in terms of comparing to a directional with normal setback.

BTW: I learned switch on my true directional '07 Shaun White.

dresum · 04-05-2011, 01:48 PM

So I'm positive this will be my next board when its available for purchase in NorCal. Was hoping for a suggestion on size though. I am 6', 180lbs with size 12 boots. I'm sure I'll need the wide (CTX?) but I heard because of the longer effective edge that I should downsize to a 155 instead of my usual 158. I usually do 50/50 park and freeride.

Leo · 04-05-2011, 01:54 PM

155 CTX sounds like a great size for you. It will ride more like a 156/157.

dresum · 04-05-2011, 03:23 PM

155 CTX it is, thanks for the help Leo.

lonerider · 04-05-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo

Ah, I missed the part about him not jibbing. Well, off kickers too I like the Proto more than my other boards. The pop on it is just too good haha. That's really the only reason why though. The extra pop is nice for kickers or rollers or hips or gaps or hadoukens.

Yea, I hear the SL is only slightly setback. I'm thinking differences more in terms of comparing to a directional with normal setback.

BTW: I learned switch on my true directional '07 Shaun White.

I definitely agree I really like the pop on the Proto CT compared to the SL. As for true twin versus directional/setback... it again comes back to your riding percentages... I'm guess he is actually riding switch about 5% of total riding time or less (basically landing switch or taking off switch) in that case I don't know if a true twin is really important (nice to have but not necessary).

Coincidentally, today was "Switch Day" and we rode switch the entire day - carving down steeps, switch 50-50s onto boxes (no boardslides as it is a lot harder to stay straight the whole time), off of small kickers (20-25 ft). What really did me in was switch backside spins and surprisingly enough switch method airs... you should try it... so long as you don't mind looking like a novice all over again

Leo · 04-05-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lonerider

I definitely agree I really like the pop on the Proto CT compared to the SL. As for true twin versus directional/setback... it again comes back to your riding percentages... I'm guess he is actually riding switch about 5% of total riding time or less (basically landing switch or taking off switch) in that case I don't know if a true twin is really important (nice to have but not necessary).

Coincidentally, today was "Switch Day" and we rode switch the entire day - carving down steeps, switch 50-50s onto boxes (no boardslides as it is a lot harder to stay straight the whole time), off of small kickers (20-25 ft). What really did me in was switch backside spins and surprisingly enough switch method airs... you should try it... so long as you don't mind looking like a novice all over again

Haha, I can ride switch, but not that good

I'm good with my normal methods lol.

masoupistoocold · 04-05-2011, 08:02 PM

how is this thing going to hold up in powder? I only like riding a centered stance and will avoid setting back my ride at almost any cost (probably to my demise). I am after a 'one quiver' board that can handle west coast resorts. I'm also not really sure how much size factors into riding powder. I rode a 160 k2 turbo dream with a centred stance on a (atleast) 3 foot powder day at squaw recently and didn't have a problem, even when i got to the flatter parts (though i did have to lean back a whole bunch). Two days later with just as much or even more snow (tahoe got seriously pounded end of feb and march) I tried a 155 jones all mountain twin. I was expecting great things but I suffered quite a bit. If i kept my weight towards the back constantly i was okay but any weight shift and the thing seriously nose dived. Again I was riding a centred. I' a tall skinny guy (5'11, 150 pounds) and am unsure whether height or weight play more of a factor.

Anyway this board looks seriously appealing. I loved the true twin playfulness of the evo and its ability to hold an edge, and the stiffness of the sl. It was the first RC board i had tried (only ever ridden a 157 burton un inc.). However I didn't get to try it in deepish powder (only some chopped up left overs). Anyways if I was to get the proto what size would be good for me? I mostly lap park when there is no snow or nice leftovers, but I don't want to compromise too much on my ability to ride powder.

The Intern · 04-06-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by masoupistoocold

how is this thing going to hold up in powder? I only like riding a centered stance and will avoid setting back my ride at almost any cost (probably to my demise). I am after a 'one quiver' board that can handle west coast resorts. I'm also not really sure how much size factors into riding powder. I rode a 160 k2 turbo dream with a centred stance on a (atleast) 3 foot powder day at squaw recently and didn't have a problem, even when i got to the flatter parts (though i did have to lean back a whole bunch). Two days later with just as much or even more snow (tahoe got seriously pounded end of feb and march) I tried a 155 jones all mountain twin. I was expecting great things but I suffered quite a bit. If i kept my weight towards the back constantly i was okay but any weight shift and the thing seriously nose dived. Again I was riding a centred. I' a tall skinny guy (5'11, 150 pounds) and am unsure whether height or weight play more of a factor.

Anyway this board looks seriously appealing. I loved the true twin playfulness of the evo and its ability to hold an edge, and the stiffness of the sl. It was the first RC board i had tried (only ever ridden a 157 burton un inc.). However I didn't get to try it in deepish powder (only some chopped up left overs). Anyways if I was to get the proto what size would be good for me? I mostly lap park when there is no snow or nice leftovers, but I don't want to compromise too much on my ability to ride powder.

It's a centered reverse rocker in the middle, how do you think it would do in powder... duh, float. If you can't get it too than your doing it wrong.

04-05-2011, 06:47 AM	#241 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	He said he's doing 50/50 park vs freeride. I'd honestly say he should be on the 159 Proto. A big reason why I am now a fan of true twins is because I feel more centered when I am doing things like butters and jibbing. It's not just spinning off kickers, but even spinning flat is easier on a true twin. Presses and all that good stuff is just more fun on a true twin to me. Switch riding is also easier on a true twin. For pure freeriding, I'd go directional all day long. 50/50 park and freeride is the Proto's domain in my opinion. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

04-05-2011, 10:41 AM	#243 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	Ah, I missed the part about him not jibbing. Well, off kickers too I like the Proto more than my other boards. The pop on it is just too good haha. That's really the only reason why though. The extra pop is nice for kickers or rollers or hips or gaps or hadoukens. Yea, I hear the SL is only slightly setback. I'm thinking differences more in terms of comparing to a directional with normal setback. BTW: I learned switch on my true directional '07 Shaun White. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

04-05-2011, 01:54 PM	#245 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	155 CTX sounds like a great size for you. It will ride more like a 156/157. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

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04-05-2011, 01:48 PM	#244 (permalink)
dresum Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 5	So I'm positive this will be my next board when its available for purchase in NorCal. Was hoping for a suggestion on size though. I am 6', 180lbs with size 12 boots. I'm sure I'll need the wide (CTX?) but I heard because of the longer effective edge that I should downsize to a 155 instead of my usual 158. I usually do 50/50 park and freeride.

04-05-2011, 03:23 PM	#246 (permalink)
dresum Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 5	155 CTX it is, thanks for the help Leo.

04-05-2011, 08:02 PM	#249 (permalink)
masoupistoocold Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane Posts: 43	how is this thing going to hold up in powder? I only like riding a centered stance and will avoid setting back my ride at almost any cost (probably to my demise). I am after a 'one quiver' board that can handle west coast resorts. I'm also not really sure how much size factors into riding powder. I rode a 160 k2 turbo dream with a centred stance on a (atleast) 3 foot powder day at squaw recently and didn't have a problem, even when i got to the flatter parts (though i did have to lean back a whole bunch). Two days later with just as much or even more snow (tahoe got seriously pounded end of feb and march) I tried a 155 jones all mountain twin. I was expecting great things but I suffered quite a bit. If i kept my weight towards the back constantly i was okay but any weight shift and the thing seriously nose dived. Again I was riding a centred. I' a tall skinny guy (5'11, 150 pounds) and am unsure whether height or weight play more of a factor. Anyway this board looks seriously appealing. I loved the true twin playfulness of the evo and its ability to hold an edge, and the stiffness of the sl. It was the first RC board i had tried (only ever ridden a 157 burton un inc.). However I didn't get to try it in deepish powder (only some chopped up left overs). Anyways if I was to get the proto what size would be good for me? I mostly lap park when there is no snow or nice leftovers, but I don't want to compromise too much on my ability to ride powder.