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Old 03-12-2012, 10:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Review: 2013 NS Cobra, Raptor, Heritage, Premier F1 & Proto

The stars aligned and for some reason to top off a great powder day at Nozawa Onsen, the Japanese Never Summer rep was running a demo day with their whole 2013 arsenal to test. I couldn’t resist that opportunity so I proceeded to test their more powder specific boards to get a good comparison between them. Being from Australia, I haven’t actually seen some of the boards in person only read about them on here so it was a great experience to actually ride the boards on such a great day.

I figured I would write about my experiences especially comparing the Cobra to my SL which quite a few people have asked for in Snowolf’s and Leo’s Cobra review threads. Plus take the experiences from a punter who doesn’t usually live near any snow and buys his gear blind based on online research and forums discussions. So far it that hasn’t landed me too much astray, especially when I bought the SL a couple of years back. So take these opinions with a grain of salt.

Location: Nozawa Onsen, Japan
Weather: Overcast with changing visibility and medium to light snow.
Snow Conditions: 30cm of fresh snow, fresh powder (shin deep in places), tracked and choppy powder in trees, bumpy groomers, flat cat track sections
Time: Roughly spent 90 mins with each board

My Details and setup:

Age: late 20s
Height: 6'2", 188cm
Weight: 180 lbs, 82kg
Boot: Salomon Dialogues, US 10.5
Binding: 2010 Salomon Relay Series, with Burton Ultra Air Heal straps (same as on the 2012 Burton Prophecy)
Stance: Goofy, 23.6", 60cm, Front 15 Rear -12, centred on the binding wholes on each board
Rider info: Over 200 days riding in 10 years, riding generally done on annual 2 week holidays, although I’m currently finishing up my second full season with around 50 days on snow including ~15-20 powder days in Japan. I’m an all-mountain rider who uses the mountain as a playground jumping off things and searching for powder. I like to go high speed and lay down big carves on groomers when no fresh snow is around. I am dabbling in BC riding and love tree riding in powder especially at speed.
Freestyle wise I’m more of a beginner can hit up to 30ft kickers with a straight air or grab. 180s of smaller jumps, 50/50 rails, board slide boxes, not much interest in progressing further.
My Current ride: 2010 Never Summer SL 161


158 Cobra


Riding impression:

After all the hype on this forum about this board I had to try the Cobra first. They only had the 158 so I downsized from my usual 161 SL. Wow was this board light. Riding on the bumpy groomer the board felt stiffer than my SL, especially in the tail. Dampness was similar to the SL. Switch riding was a bit weird, almost a twitchy feeling, which I believe is to due to the tapered shape.

Like the SL the ride can be forgiving so you can get a bit lazy when riding this board without dire consequences. Edge was very good when laying down carves, but it felt slightly different due to the taper (this was the first time I rode a tapered board). The board did feel a bit twitchier at speed when carving than my SL but I think that was due to the smaller size.

Pointing the Cobra into the fresh powder is where it excelled. A slight weighting on the back foot and the tip would just pop out above the snow, floatation at this size was no issue for me. Charging through chopped powder was a bit easier due to the board sitting higher up in the snow compared to my SL. Launching of some natural kickers this board sank nicely on the landing then popped up the tip straight away.

The major negative is that this board isn’t as versatile as the SL, especially when trying to ride switch. So potential buyers need to keep that in mind.

Rider in mind:
An all mountain rider with a one-board quiver that does see some regular powder. Don’t kid yourself if you don’t see regular powder on your trips just get the SL instead it will still handle the occasional powder day very well but it will be more versatile when playing around the mountain.

Other comments:

This is definitely my next board based on the riding I do. I would step up to the 161 just to get more stability when charging at speed on groomers, powder flotation wasn’t an issue on the 158. I could get away with a 158 but I’m just used to the current 161 and I feel really comfortable at that length.

Graphics wise I’m not a fan of the snake but that red shadow is pretty cool and the board looks very good in person.

164 Raptor


Riding impression:

Wow what a bad ass board! They only had this size, so it was quite a bit of board to handle for me especially on the terrain I was riding. Definitely could feel the extra weight due to the bigger size. This board will get you in trouble quick. It feels as if it has afterburners on. You need to pay attention the whole time you’re riding this board. Any wrong movements and the Raptor will spit you out. The board was definitely more stiffer than the Cobra and Heritage, but felt slightly softer than the Premier F1. The board was quite damp especially over any unexpected bumps yet still very responsive providing sufficient feedback to the rider. You almost felt comfortable on bumpy groomers especially at speed. Edge hold was just on another planet. Switch was doable but not recommended.

Pointing it into powder this board just floated straight through and accelerated even more. Riding it through trees it was pretty responsive but I could definitely feel the extra length. Ideally I would like to ride this board in the 160-162cm range. This board would just excel on a big mountain line

Rider in mind:

Big mountain rider or someone who just wants to haul ass the whole time.

Other comments:
I’d love to justify to have this board in my collection especially if I rode more big mountain lines. This a definite buy if I ever do an Alaskan Heli trip. I would get in a lot of trouble with this board but boy it would be fun.

158 Heritage


Riding Impression:

I’ve wanted to ride try this board for the last couple of years, it rode quite familiar when compared to my SL except that the Heritage was stiffer and more responsive as expected. Definitely less forgiving than the SL, you had to pay more attention to edge transfers. Compared to the tapered boards this was a more traditional feeling ride. It felt good in switch. Powder floatation needed similar back foot leaning as the SL, which was manageable but definitely less floatation than the Cobra.

Rider in mind:
Some one who wants a stiffer traditional riding board that’s good all over the mountain.

Other comments:
I think after trying this board personally I would stick with the SL, that additional playful character of the SL makes it more fun without a significantly reduced response.

161 Premier F1


Riding impression:

The last board tested in the powder conditions was the Premier F1 in my preferred size. This board felt the stiffest out of all the boards. I found it quite hard to flex up the nose. Being of non-carbonium construction the board felt quite heavier, similar to my SL when strapped in. The Premier instantly felt very damp/dead when plowing over a chopped groomer. I was very surprised how little feed back the board provided. This meant that you didn’t have to be as precise with the edge control with the Premier when compared to the Raptor. The edge was very good as expected. Due to the tapered shape powder floatation was very good with the nose easily poking up through a fresh powder line with a little extra weight on the back leg. Switch riding was surpassingly not too bad, definitely more natural feeling than on the Cobra.

Rider in mind:
Big mountain rider or someone who just wants to haul ass most of the time without much feedback provided from the board. Ie point and shoot without too much consequences.

Other comments:

This definitely wasn’t a board for me. I didn’t enjoy the lack of feedback especially in on the chopped groomer. The raptor definitely gets my pick out of these two for big mountain powder board.

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Old 03-12-2012, 10:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Nozawa Onsen, Japan
Weather: Blue bird
Snow Conditions: chopped powder with minimal 30cm fresh lines, soft groomers, icy groomers
Time: Roughly spent 90 mins with the board


160 Proto CT


Riding impression:

The following day I spent some time with the Proto. I choose the 160 to test so that I could make as direct comparison to my 161 SL as possible. The Proto was much lighter and straight away felt like a very fun versatile board. I would image it would make spins a lot easier. The flex felt slightly softer than the SL and there was more pop when I loaded up the tail. The proto also provided more feedback to the rider than the SL. However you had to pay more attention to the edge loading when trying to hold a big carve at speed, despite the fact that it had a longer effective edge than the 161 SL. Being a true twin, switch riding was excellent. Powder floatation was similar to the SL and Heritage, that is the weight needed to be shifted back to pop the nose above the snow.

Rider in mind:
All mountain rider that was more interested in playing around and some park riding than laying down big fast carves on groomers and looking for a board that could still hold its own in the powder.

Other comments:

I was definitely a fan of this board. It achieves perfectly the playfulness of an all mountain board without sacrificing too much carving ability and stability at speed. Definitely would be part of 2 board quiver for me.

Can’t say I was too disappointed in the graphics, I thought the board looked very good in person.

Summary/personal preference for me:

One board quiver – 161 Cobra if you see decent amounts of powder, otherwise 161 SL
Two board quiver – 160 Proto CT playing around and general riding, 164 or maybe 159 Raptor for the fast charging and powder days.

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Old 03-12-2012, 10:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Nice reviews

Glad i hold up and didnt buy the cobra as i have a 158 SL... i am 1.87m and 93 kg... i bought the 158 SL and i find it good

Do you think i would feel better in the 161?


Proto vs SL what do you feel better for all mountain riding but not doing rails or boxe?

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Old 03-12-2012, 10:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Nice reviews

Glad i hold up and didnt buy the cobra as i have a 158 SL... i am 1.87m and 93 kg... i bought the 158 SL and i find it good

Do you think i would feel better in the 161?


Proto vs SL what do you feel better for all mountain riding but not doing rails or boxe?

thanks
I think its personal preference re size. The 158 is fine but if you prefer to go fast on groomers and want better edge hold the 161 would be a bit better.

Re Proto vs SL
Again it depends on what your version of all mountain is. The proto is definitely lighter and would be better if you play around a lot on the slopes doing spins and things along that nature. SL would be a bit better at more carving and going fast situations. Both boards can do what the other does but there is compromise.
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Pretty sure the cobra is not tapered?
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Quick question for you guys on the cobra....I have the opportunity to pick up a 155 now, or could pick up the 153 via preorder (and wait till the boards ship for next season).
Do you think there would be enough of a difference to wait for the 153? I prefer riding steeper terrain and tree runs, hitting kickers and smaller jumps. Rarely in the park.

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WT: 140lbs
HT: 5'7"
stance: 20.5", goofy, +18, -12

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Quick question for you guys on the cobra....I have the opportunity to pick up a 155 now, or could pick up the 153 via preorder (and wait till the boards ship for next season).
Do you think there would be enough of a difference to wait for the 153? I prefer riding steeper terrain and tree runs, hitting kickers and smaller jumps. Rarely in the park.

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What's your boot size? There's a pretty significant jump in waist width between those 2 sizes, so that could factor heavily depending on your size.
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ah, yes...I knew I'd forget something in there. I'm rocking a hefty size 7 boot.

The waist width was the first thing that jumped out at me on the difference between the two, particularly with my desire to spend a lot of time in trees and wanting quick turn response.
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:49 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Personally, I'd go 153 if I was you. I'm 5'11" 150 with size 10 boots, and I'm riding the 155. I have the 155 SL as well, and they're the perfect size for me for the type of riding you're talking about.
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thanks...that's what I was thinking, but having that board in front of me was mighty enticing. Just needed someone to confirm that I should wait for the right board.
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