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Old 02-15-2013, 10:20 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Alright Snowolf....Im dying to hear more about the '14 Raptor compared to the predecesors. Im on the 11/12 20th anniverssary. Dare the Raptor get more aggressive this year? Do tell!
Me too! Stop holding out!
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:12 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Not holding out. Need more time on it before doing a full review. I will say that it is the best technical steeps board of the line from what I can tell early on. Extremely aggressive, damp and holds an edge admirably.
Been reading this forum for years but finally decided to bite the bullet and join the community. First off- Snowolf, you are the man and have handled what went down pretty darn well. You rock. Keep the good stuff comin! Eagerly anticipating your review of the 2014 Raptor!

2013 Never Summer Raptor 164 Review:

First of all, my quick bio: I'm 6'3" - 195 lbs - size 10.5-11 boot - 22" stance - regular +18*, 0*. I'm an advanced 15 year rider and have spent the last 7 seasons on a 164 Burton Triumph. It is a tapered directional big mountain board that I have loved and thought was at the apex of the big mountain slaying boards... until now. I just spent my first day on the 2013 164 Raptor yesterday and all I can say is AMAZING. Conditions were 32-35* with 2-3 inches of fresh Utah snow on ten day old ice which led to soft, chopped up crud on with ice underneath. Others have compared the Raptor to a Ferarri or Lambo because you don't realize how fast you are going since the board is so stable at speed. That pretty much sums it up! Hard packed bowls were a breeze compared to my old 164 Burton Triumph. I was keeping up with my expert skier friends before... now I'm beating them down the mountain by a good margin. After 15 years of riding, this board has taught an old dog new tricks and improved my riding significantly. The board also worked WONDERS on my fatigue. I don't know if it is the dampening or the RC hybrid, but when I would usually be spent and need a break for my style of hard agressive riding, I was still going strong and my legs were still fresh. That alone made this board worth its weight in gold. I'm a weekend warrior so I have to make the most of my days on the mountain.

The RC hybrid led to effortless edge to edge transition while carving and incredible edge hold on the ice. I could feel the additional edge digging in when needed from the the rocker portion of the board that I was missing in my old cambered Burton. The Vario/RC combo makes this a viable alternative to magnetraction. Other boarders were sliding out on some bad patches of ice but the Raptor allowed to me to hit those areas with confidence. The dampening of the board was apparent while bombing some chopped up end-of-day groomers. The dampening allowed me to absorb much bigger bumps and moguls. That combined with the great edge hold made riding confidence soar. I'm going to have to careful with this badass board... I have a feeling that this is going to make me overconfident in my riding and get me hurt one day lol

I have the Raptor paired with 2013 Burton Cartel Bindings and 2009 Burton Ruler Boots. It makes for a versatile all mountatin/free ride setup that I like. I've been looking into a stiffer boot like the Malamute or Driver X though.

QUESTION for SnoWolf and you all... I loved the board yesterday and can't wait to slay some powder with it. I'm still a little torn on the size though. Since my weight (195), height (6'3"), and boot size (10.5-11) are all in between sizes, I can't decide whether or not to swap the 164 regular out for a 165 wide Raptor X. Advice? I thought the 164 reg was great on-piste but I'm concerned about drag when I hit the powder. I know it boils down to trying it and personal preference but I want second, third and fourth opinions on this from you all.

Also, since I just got the board so late in the season I'm also anticipating Snowolf's review of the 2014 Raptor. I'm curious how the supposed increase in stiffness and dampness is going to affect it. Will this catapult the board further into freeride category and make it more one-sided? I'm totally sold on the Raptor... I just can't make my final final decision on 2013 Raptor or Raptor X or hold out for the 2014 Raptor/Raptor X. I do like the base Phoenix diecut on the 2014 replacing the NS text base but that does not affect the decision for me. I got the board on backcountry.com and they are great at returns so that isn't a concern. By the way - they have their entire 2013 NS lineup at 10% off right now. Feedback appreciated!
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:37 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Been reading this forum for years but finally decided to bite the bullet and join the community. First off- Snowolf, you are the man and have handled what went down pretty darn well. You rock. Keep the good stuff comin! Eagerly anticipating your review of the 2014 Raptor!

2013 Never Summer Raptor 164 Review:

First of all, my quick bio: I'm 6'3" - 195 lbs - size 10.5-11 boot - 22" stance - regular +18*, 0*. I'm an advanced 15 year rider and have spent the last 7 seasons on a 164 Burton Triumph. It is a tapered directional big mountain board that I have loved and thought was at the apex of the big mountain slaying boards... until now. I just spent my first day on the 2013 164 Raptor yesterday and all I can say is AMAZING. Conditions were 32-35* with 2-3 inches of fresh Utah snow on ten day old ice which led to soft, chopped up crud on with ice underneath. Others have compared the Raptor to a Ferarri or Lambo because you don't realize how fast you are going since the board is so stable at speed. That pretty much sums it up! Hard packed bowls were a breeze compared to my old 164 Burton Triumph. I was keeping up with my expert skier friends before... now I'm beating them down the mountain by a good margin. After 15 years of riding, this board has taught an old dog new tricks and improved my riding significantly. The board also worked WONDERS on my fatigue. I don't know if it is the dampening or the RC hybrid, but when I would usually be spent and need a break for my style of hard agressive riding, I was still going strong and my legs were still fresh. That alone made this board worth its weight in gold. I'm a weekend warrior so I have to make the most of my days on the mountain.

The RC hybrid led to effortless edge to edge transition while carving and incredible edge hold on the ice. I could feel the additional edge digging in when needed from the the rocker portion of the board that I was missing in my old cambered Burton. The Vario/RC combo makes this a viable alternative to magnetraction. Other boarders were sliding out on some bad patches of ice but the Raptor allowed to me to hit those areas with confidence. The dampening of the board was apparent while bombing some chopped up end-of-day groomers. The dampening allowed me to absorb much bigger bumps and moguls. That combined with the great edge hold made riding confidence soar. I'm going to have to careful with this badass board... I have a feeling that this is going to make me overconfident in my riding and get me hurt one day lol

I have the Raptor paired with 2013 Burton Cartel Bindings and 2009 Burton Ruler Boots. It makes for a versatile all mountatin/free ride setup that I like. I've been looking into a stiffer boot like the Malamute or Driver X though.

QUESTION for SnoWolf and you all... I loved the board yesterday and can't wait to slay some powder with it. I'm still a little torn on the size though. Since my weight (195), height (6'3"), and boot size (10.5-11) are all in between sizes, I can't decide whether or not to swap the 164 regular out for a 165 wide Raptor X. Advice? I thought the 164 reg was great on-piste but I'm concerned about drag when I hit the powder. I know it boils down to trying it and personal preference but I want second, third and fourth opinions on this from you all.

Also, since I just got the board so late in the season I'm also anticipating Snowolf's review of the 2014 Raptor. I'm curious how the supposed increase in stiffness and dampness is going to affect it. Will this catapult the board further into freeride category and make it more one-sided? I'm totally sold on the Raptor... I just can't make my final final decision on 2013 Raptor or Raptor X or hold out for the 2014 Raptor/Raptor X. I do like the base Phoenix diecut on the 2014 replacing the NS text base but that does not affect the decision for me. I got the board on backcountry.com and they are great at returns so that isn't a concern. By the way - they have their entire 2013 NS lineup at 10% off right now. Feedback appreciated!
Nice review, thanks for keeping this thread going! Pretty much sums up what I feel about this board... especially the part about getting overconfident and getting into trouble...

As far as your foot size, the easiest way to see if you need the wide or not is to stand barefoot (or thin socks) on your board in your bindings and see where your toes and heels relate to the edge. You want to be right to the edge or slightly over to get proper edge pressure, if your way over then the wide might be better but you should check the same way if you can arrange that.

Concerning pow floatation, I've been in knee deep so far and didn't feel the need to lean back at all. I won't be riding until next Thursday but the forecast is looking REALLY good so I hope to test it in some really deep pow. I'll report back.

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danm/Snowolf/scottyroo, your reviews and me testing out my brother's 157 snowboard made me upgrade from my 153 Cobra to the 156 Raptor.. i'm 5'9/175lbs and can't wait to get mine!

btw, Peter Glenn has the 2013 Raptor (2 156s left!) for 28% off!
Never Summer Raptor Snowboard (Men's) | Peter Glenn

also, i found a 2 min YT clip of 'glaucon100' testing out the 2013 Raptor
First day with NS Raptor - YouTube
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Nice to hear the raptor is getting a bit stiffer for the next model year, I feel that mine is just a touch to soft. Other than that my raptor is the perfect board for all moutain riding, except switch, it pretty twitchy when you flip it around.

I may have to get another 1 next year to see the stiffness for myself.
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danm/Snowolf/scottyroo, your reviews and me testing out my brother's 157 snowboard made me upgrade from my 153 Cobra to the 156 Raptor.. i'm 5'9/175lbs and can't wait to get mine!

btw, Peter Glenn has the 2013 Raptor (2 156s left!) for 28% off!
Never Summer Raptor Snowboard (Men's) | Peter Glenn

also, i found a 2 min YT clip of 'glaucon100' testing out the 2013 Raptor
First day with NS Raptor - YouTube
Nice youtube, clearly shows at the end how this board loves to pick up speed.
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Nice review, thanks for keeping this thread going! Pretty much sums up what I feel about this board... especially the part about getting overconfident and getting into trouble...

As far as your foot size, the easiest way to see if you need the wide or not is to stand barefoot (or thin socks) on your board in your bindings and see where your toes and heels relate to the edge. You want to be right to the edge or slightly over to get proper edge pressure, if your way over then the wide might be better but you should check the same way if you can arrange that.

Concerning pow floatation, I've been in knee deep so far and didn't feel the need to lean back at all. I won't be riding until next Thursday but the forecast is looking REALLY good so I hope to test it in some really deep pow. I'll report back.

danm
Thanks for the response. I'm glad we could get this thread going again and hopefully get SnoWolf to get his review up soon!

I'm going to take a quick thread meander about board width but since it involves the Raptor vs Raptor X, that's ok, right? Regarding your technique for determining a wide board - I'm confined to my desk job right now so I don't have access to my board. I figured there is a better way to determine toe hang. I pulled out a ruler and measured my feet. They are 28.5 cm. Based on the sizes of the Raptor and Raptor X in the chart below the 164 is 25.3 cm wide and the 165 Wide is 26.8 cm wide. That is the width at the exact waist so the width at the binding locations would differ, I think. Based on that do you think I should give the 165 X a try? I've had a lot of people tell me that size 11 is fine on a normal Raptor and had a lot of people tell me that the Wide would help.


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Thanks for the response. I'm glad we could get this thread going again and hopefully get SnoWolf to get his review up soon!

I'm going to take a quick thread meander about board width but since it involves the Raptor vs Raptor X, that's ok, right? Regarding your technique for determining a wide board - I'm confined to my desk job right now so I don't have access to my board. I figured there is a better way to determine toe hang. I pulled out a ruler and measured my feet. They are 28.5 cm. Based on the sizes of the Raptor and Raptor X in the chart below the 164 is 25.3 cm wide and the 165 Wide is 26.8 cm wide. That is the width at the exact waist so the width at the binding locations would differ, I think. Based on that do you think I should give the 165 X a try? I've had a lot of people tell me that size 11 is fine on a normal Raptor and had a lot of people tell me that the Wide would help.

Just based off of some quick measurements and calculations on my 156, it LOOKS like the 165x will be around 28 cm at the inserts. This of course presumes that the waist and insert width proportions are similar. I could be way off though so best bet is the physical foot method. You could also try to find a shop that has one in stock and ask them to measure at the inserts.

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Just based off of some quick measurements and calculations on my 156, it LOOKS like the 165x will be around 28 cm at the inserts. This of course presumes that the waist and insert width proportions are similar. I could be way off though so best bet is the physical foot method. You could also try to find a shop that has one in stock and ask them to measure at the inserts.

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That doesn't seem too far off because my Heritage 166 is 26.9 at the waist and I have 30.8 cm feet (size 15 boot, but I think my boots run a bit small cause I am a 14 but these are still tight after 2 seasons) and I get about an inch and a quarter overhang on each side. For what it's worth anyways...
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Now....someone find me a 159cm SOMEWHERE!!!!
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