Review 2014 Never Summer Proto HD - Page 5 - Snowboarding Forum - Snowboard Enthusiast Forums
SnowboardingForum.com is the premier Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-29-2013, 10:35 PM   #41 (permalink)
Veteran Member
 
dreampow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kyoto Japan
Posts: 1,211
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hktrdr View Post
Get something more powder oriented for Japan, especially if you are going to Hokkaido/Japan. Even the more powder focused NS boards like the Cobra are basically groomer/jib sticks in Hokkaido.
I agree with this, if Japan is your main riding location and you come here in the peak season for snow you should think about getting a board that is more powder specific.

Japans powder is some of the best and most consistent in the world. The terrain tends to be gentler especially in Hokkaido.

Although lighter riders tend to float much easier (weight please?) having at least a powder focused all mountain type of deck (like the K2 Ultra dream) is a good move in Japan.

I find the Proto HD to be very good in powder for what it is, a non task specific all mountain deck that will be good at everything without specializing at anything.

I actually prefer to ride it over a powder deck on days when there are smaller powder dumps, that way I can play around in the powder riding switch and doing spins of lips.

If there is a bigger dump I want something more powder focused and capable.

If I only had one deck to ride here in Japan I would go with something that is a more powder focused all mountain deck, something with setback (a little) and longer more gently rising rockered tips. At my weight (78 kilos) I would also move up to a 160 or 161 in this scenario.

If I only had one deck to ride and I rode sometimes in Japan and sometimes in other less powder blessed places (or times of year) I would be very happy with the Proto as my only board.

Ideally two boards will always be better, one for serious powder dumps and one for all round riding (or a park focused deck if thats your thing).

I am very happy with the proto as my do it all deck, but I have a longer powder deck for those special days when the powder is on.

In mid winter here you will want to ride the right deck on a deep day. That could make it a day you will remember for the rest of your life. Sounds dramatic, but its very real.

Unfortunately that might also turn you into a powder junkie and then you will spend hours thinking about powder and boards even though winter is months away.

For more suggestions or help please give us more info.

What is your weight?

Foot size?

Where will you ride in Japan?

How long will you be here and when?

How much park?

How much tree runs and free ride?
dreampow is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-30-2013, 07:37 PM   #42 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Singapore (which makes it harder)
Posts: 11
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreampow View Post
I agree with this, if Japan is your main riding location and you come here in the peak season for snow you should think about getting a board that is more powder specific.

Japans powder is some of the best and most consistent in the world. The terrain tends to be gentler especially in Hokkaido.

Although lighter riders tend to float much easier (weight please?) having at least a powder focused all mountain type of deck (like the K2 Ultra dream) is a good move in Japan.

I find the Proto HD to be very good in powder for what it is, a non task specific all mountain deck that will be good at everything without specializing at anything.

I actually prefer to ride it over a powder deck on days when there are smaller powder dumps, that way I can play around in the powder riding switch and doing spins of lips.

If there is a bigger dump I want something more powder focused and capable.

If I only had one deck to ride here in Japan I would go with something that is a more powder focused all mountain deck, something with setback (a little) and longer more gently rising rockered tips. At my weight (78 kilos) I would also move up to a 160 or 161 in this scenario.

If I only had one deck to ride and I rode sometimes in Japan and sometimes in other less powder blessed places (or times of year) I would be very happy with the Proto as my only board.

Ideally two boards will always be better, one for serious powder dumps and one for all round riding (or a park focused deck if thats your thing).

I am very happy with the proto as my do it all deck, but I have a longer powder deck for those special days when the powder is on.

In mid winter here you will want to ride the right deck on a deep day. That could make it a day you will remember for the rest of your life. Sounds dramatic, but its very real.

Unfortunately that might also turn you into a powder junkie and then you will spend hours thinking about powder and boards even though winter is months away.

For more suggestions or help please give us more info.

What is your weight?

Foot size?

Where will you ride in Japan?

How long will you be here and when?

How much park?

How much tree runs and free ride?

Wow... this is a serious forum.
Well, I am 79kg and my Burton IONs are 9.5. I have been riding 157 and not more in Hakuba or Nigita areas. Hokkaido has been booked for December and I don't think I am skilled enough to venture off piste anyway. So groomers and a little bit pow and tricks for me this season until I get confident enough to slap on a park stick. in terms of progression, I would definitely pow or free ride before park.
BennyC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 08:03 PM   #43 (permalink)
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 676
Default

If 157 has served you fine in Hakuba, you'll be fine in Hokkaido
Supra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 08:08 PM   #44 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Singapore (which makes it harder)
Posts: 11
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Supra View Post
If 157 has served you fine in Hakuba, you'll be fine in Hokkaido
I thought so too.
BennyC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 08:28 PM   #45 (permalink)
Veteran Member
 
dreampow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kyoto Japan
Posts: 1,211
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyC View Post
Wow... this is a serious forum.
Well, I am 79kg and my Burton IONs are 9.5. I have been riding 157 and not more in Hakuba or Nigita areas. Hokkaido has been booked for December and I don't think I am skilled enough to venture off piste anyway. So groomers and a little bit pow and tricks for me this season until I get confident enough to slap on a park stick. in terms of progression, I would definitely pow or free ride before park.
OK So we weigh the same and your feet are a touch smaller than mine.

What board did you ride until now?

157 is a good option for Hakuba and Nigata on piste. The gradient is steep enough that when it dumps a little you can still do well on a 157 depending on the board. My 157 proto is the board I choose most days unless there is a bigger dump.

I often head off piste too and the proto is solid if its not too deep.

My Hokkaido experience is limited, but there will be more big dumps (on piste as well) and the gradients are less.

Are you coming here every year?

Do you plan to keep going to Hokkaido or maybe back to Hakuba next time around?

The 157 proto HD could be a very good option if this is a one off shortish trip to Hokkaido (2 weeks). Then just rent a proper pow deck (which you can do easily in Japan) if you get a huge dump for one or two days.

If its a longer trip to Hokkaido (3 or4 weeks) or if you plan to keep hitting Hokkaido for years to come look to go bigger and more pow specific (160~162).

I personally like Never Summer decks especially the proto, its my favorite of the decks I have ridden (SL, Cobra, Summit). There are many good makers and boards out there so do plenty of research before you buy.

There are just so many boards out there, but depending on your responses to the questions you might want to look at the NS Cobra, Burton sherlock, K2 Ultra dream. They will all do well in on piste Hokkaido powder and on the side of runs around the 160 length and they will also do well in most other areas because they are not too task specific.
dreampow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 08:35 PM   #46 (permalink)
Veteran Member
 
dreampow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kyoto Japan
Posts: 1,211
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Supra View Post
If 157 has served you fine in Hakuba, you'll be fine in Hokkaido
This is true, 157 is perfectly doable.

If it were me (we weigh the same) and I were going to Hokkaido for 2 to 4 weeks I would look to be on a 160~161 with the possible exception of raduction which I am keen to try but haven't tried yet.

Or go with the 157 and be ready to rent if you get a huge dump, when it dumps there it really dumps.
dreampow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 08:46 PM   #47 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 400
Default

Demoed this board this past spring at Whistler for about 2-3 runs. I'm 5'5" 140lbs, 4 seasons of snowboarding. I tried the Proto HD in a 154.

BY FAR, the best board and the funnest board I've ever tried (and this is with bad bindings, some Flux that are too big). Blows my T.Rice and Pick Your Line away just for resort crusing, side hits, carving, etc. Funny, because I demoed an NS Evo 154 last season and I didn't like it. The flex is perfect, a little past medium but not stiff. You can butter around and hold the press easily without washing out on the tail. This board is also the poppiest board I've ever tried when doing ollies off rollers and surprisingly in and out of carves. It is lively but also damp enough. The side cut is awesome on this board, by just using different radius on different sections of the board it grips almost as well as a regular cambered board or boards with mag. Carving is a blast on this board. All in all, if I'm still in Vancouver next winter this will be my next board for sure. I will probably still go to my PYL for powder days but this board is just sick. I sound like a Never Summer fan boy now, but this is truly super awesome board, can be a quiver killer too.
skip11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 08:51 PM   #48 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,966
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreampow View Post
This is true, 157 is perfectly doable.

If it were me (we weigh the same) and I were going to Hokkaido for 2 to 4 weeks I would look to be on a 160~161 with the possible exception of raduction which I am keen to try but haven't tried yet.

Or go with the 157 and be ready to rent if you get a huge dump, when it dumps there it really dumps.
Pretty much that. 157 is definitely the shortest you would want to go for Hokkaido considering the amount of powder and (lack of) steepness - it is doable, but something bigger/more floaty would be much more fun (unless you are talking Nug raduction or a short pow specific deck like the Fish or Con Artist).
For comparison, I am ~68kg and have just upsized from a 155 Cobra to a 158 for my groomer/resort riding in Niseko.
hktrdr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 09:17 PM   #49 (permalink)
Veteran Member
 
dreampow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kyoto Japan
Posts: 1,211
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hktrdr View Post
For comparison, I am ~68kg and have just upsized from a 155 Cobra to a 158 for my groomer/resort riding in Niseko.
From a 155 to a 158 Cobra? Or another deck? Just curious.

If its a cobra did you get the 2014?
dreampow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2013, 01:39 AM   #50 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,966
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreampow View Post
From a 155 to a 158 Cobra? Or another deck? Just curious.

If its a cobra did you get the 2014?
2013 Cobra 158 - swapped boards for another one in the same condition. It is a good groomer deck for Hokkaido and I do not think the extra stiffness and dampness for 2014 are required here - might as well get the Heritage for that, but no point given the mountains here.

Last edited by hktrdr; 07-31-2013 at 01:44 AM.
hktrdr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:17 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums