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02-07-2014 03:44 PM
wwgk1980
Stole my thunder.

I was waiting to get back from a trip where I rode some groomers and hard pack then I was going to post my review of the Raptor. But I get back and sit down to write and Canmanski has beaten me to the punch.

Having said that he probably did a better job. But here is my 2 cents, I will warn you that I am comparing it to my old board which is a 2007 Step Child Hammer Head with mid-level Burton bindings, so I expected everything to be better.

I bought it just after christmas and had some nice pow to play around in(30-40cm of fresh with not much of a base under the fresh) and was getting great float and pop out of the snow that I would have really had to work hard for with the old board. Hard not to have great things to say about a new board with that much new snow.

I just got back from Sun Peaks yesterday where it was -15 to -30 with no substantial new snow for 2 weeks or so. Lots of hard pack and groomers, even the off piste was either chewed up or looked fresh but was hard. So a good place to evaluate in less than ideal conditions. I noticed right away that the catch points on the board were now under your feet and not out at the tips because of the rocker which made riding the flats a little easier. Much better initiation and edge hold and if you push a little bit there is a nice pop going from edge to edge. I had it wash out on me a little on steep blacks but i was being tentative and not setting the edge hard enough. I never had it wash out or chatter when being aggressive. Felt confidant at speed, very stable had about the same dampening as the old board which was very good. I wear a 10.5 Burton Driver X's and I did notice that I would drag my toes when really leaning into toe side turns but not badly enough to make me want a Raptor X.

I bought it as a one board for everything I do and I feel like it has delivered, obviously not a park or jibbing board but thats not my thing anyways.

I like it. It does what I ask and it hasn't let me down yet.

On a maintenance note I wax it myself and it seems to hold really well. 4 days on hard pack and cold ass groomers I expected to have to wax again but I could probably get a few more days out of it. Like an idiot I rode it over a small snow covered bridge at the resort which also had some rocks on it from peoples boots tracking it on and scratched the base, but not nearly as bad as I thought i would though which was a nice surprise.
02-05-2014 10:22 PM
danm
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Originally Posted by scotty100 View Post
Awesome...looking forward to the review!
Xerox that, but I 'think' I'll be happier with my raptor as my mountain board... Now if I was thinking about Boarder X...
02-03-2014 01:24 PM
scotty100 Awesome...looking forward to the review!
02-03-2014 09:58 AM
canmanski
The Chairman

Hey,

So only a few days ago The Chairman mentioned The Chairman... and I already had an opportunity to ride it.
The full review coming soon (in seperate thread).

This is just a preview:



Cheers
Bart
01-27-2014 04:52 PM
canmanski
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Originally Posted by scotty100 View Post
Nice review Where were you riding?
That was Austria - Alpendorf.

@The Deacon: Difficult to find Donek boards in Europe to test. I rode some Donek hard boot boards and they were always outstanding.
If I ever do have a chance to ride a Razor - I'll obviously review it and make it public

I'd love to go over to the USA next season and host a soft boot carving camp or two. It would be great to test some equipment as well...

Cheers
Bart
01-23-2014 01:28 PM
Deacon
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Originally Posted by canmanski View Post
The Chairman (person!),

I am so looking forward to riding The Chairman (board!) and reviewing it.
Sounds like you made something I'm going to enjoy...

Cheers
Bart
Off topic, but since I bet you're one of the few here who'd know, what are your thoughts on the Donek Razor?
01-23-2014 12:54 PM
scotty100
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Originally Posted by canmanski View Post
Thanks Neni,

Didn't test it in those conditions - can't tell. I only mention stuff i actually KNOW about. Real pictures, real riding. I never read the marketing blah blah before testing boards and even if I do - I do not take it seriously...

I hope to get more time on Raptor soon and test it in other conditions. We're having a difficult winter around here...

Cheers
Bart
Nice review Where were you riding?
01-23-2014 11:24 AM
FrankH
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Originally Posted by The Chairman View Post
Great review Canmanski and pics. Awesome to see someone railing turns like that. I especially love the 3rd picture with the swooping heelside carve line.


Funny you mentioned that, you were on the same page as us. Everything you don't like about the Raptor we've addressed with our new Chairman.

-"Torsional stiffness - Raptor does not hold the perfect edge on the steep black runs." By adding a massive Carbon X (heel to toe) in the mid-section of the board on top of the core and long Carbon V's on the bottom, the Chairman is stiffer torsionally and holds an edge better in a long turn and the steeps than a Rpator.
- "Too narrow - I've booted out in few turns, specially on the steeps. When I have the opportunity, I'll try the Raptor X model." Even with an 8.5 someone carving hard as you do will boot out, imagine someone riding a regular width board with a 10.5 or 11. We increased the width even on the on all sizes of the chairman. I was one to never ride wider boards being under the assumption that they are sluggish edge to edge and I ride an forward angled stance. With agile feel of Rocker/Camber combined with the progressive verison of Vario Power Grip Sidecut on the Chairman I don't need the narrower board for quick response and have the extra width to eliminate booting out in a hard heel side carve.

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Vince,

Super stoked on the Chairman, (and its split cousin.)

Any reason for the size jump from 164 to 173? I am really considering going to larger decks after spending some time on my 166 Blaho bros split. I know you will have more sizes in the wide option, but I would love to get a Chairman in the 166-169 size range (reg width). I think a lot of riders who want a board like this with the larger sidecut and directional profile would also prefer something in that size range.

Given the larger sidecut, doesn't that increase the waist width automatically, all other things being equal? (aka the Furberg effect) I notice the tip and tail widths are relatively narrow. Are the underfoot widths similar to previous models?

Thanks
01-20-2014 03:56 PM
canmanski The Chairman (person!),

I am so looking forward to riding The Chairman (board!) and reviewing it.
Sounds like you made something I'm going to enjoy...

Cheers
Bart
01-20-2014 03:39 PM
The Chairman Great review Canmanski and pics. Awesome to see someone railing turns like that. I especially love the 3rd picture with the swooping heelside carve line.


Funny you mentioned that, you were on the same page as us. Everything you don't like about the Raptor we've addressed with our new Chairman.

-"Torsional stiffness - Raptor does not hold the perfect edge on the steep black runs." By adding a massive Carbon X (heel to toe) in the mid-section of the board on top of the core and long Carbon V's on the bottom, the Chairman is stiffer torsionally and holds an edge better in a long turn and the steeps than a Rpator.
- "Too narrow - I've booted out in few turns, specially on the steeps. When I have the opportunity, I'll try the Raptor X model." Even with an 8.5 someone carving hard as you do will boot out, imagine someone riding a regular width board with a 10.5 or 11. We increased the width even on the on all sizes of the chairman. I was one to never ride wider boards being under the assumption that they are sluggish edge to edge and I ride an forward angled stance. With agile feel of Rocker/Camber combined with the progressive verison of Vario Power Grip Sidecut on the Chairman I don't need the narrower board for quick response and have the extra width to eliminate booting out in a hard heel side carve.

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