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02-05-2014 02:01 PM
Jed
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Originally Posted by Littlebigdreams View Post
To be honest I don't quite understand what 'opening up' actually means other than the fact that I've seen people mention how it will slow down rotation. I believe that once I jump into the air my upper body does not move all the way until I land. But I definitely need to take another video

Are you available in Whistler at any time during weekends this month?
Basically 'opening up' in this case just means going from your compact position (when your legs are sucked in and you're grabbing your board etc.) to letting go of your grab and extending your legs again to square up and land.

I'll be in Whistler from Feb 15th onwards for the rest of the season, feel free to msg me anytime and we'll do some laps.
02-05-2014 01:56 PM
Littlebigdreams
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Originally Posted by Jed View Post
Where do you typically open up for your fs 540s? Ideally you'd be opening up roughly around the time you see that landing starting to come into view as you finish that last 180 of the rotation so you can square up and land.
To be honest I don't quite understand what 'opening up' actually means other than the fact that I've seen people mention how it will slow down rotation. I believe that once I jump into the air my upper body does not move all the way until I land. But I definitely need to take another video

Are you available in Whistler at any time during weekends this month?
02-05-2014 01:33 PM
Jed
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Originally Posted by Littlebigdreams View Post
I'm coming back seeking more tips!

So I've been trying to practice a bit more with my spins (unfortunately we're getting no snow in Vancouver and I usually only have time at night when the jumps are icy).

I think I got used to getting more speed and popping quite comfortably up. I've had a few almost successful 540 attempts where I felt very stable and very controlled in the air. But for most of the attempts, I will only get about 450 degrees around. After the 450 I clearly see the landing and see that my board has become horizontal (just need that extra 90 degrees to finish). But at this point my rotation seems to stop and I will land horizontally, then sit down on my butt (which kind of hurts when I'm dropping down from the air).

Is my problem "opening up too early" or something similar that's causing me to only do 450? Every time I felt like I'm in the perfectly relaxed athletic stance in the air (with knees bent, body stable, looking straight at the landing) but I could not get that last 90 degrees around. Or should I just carve up and rotate slightly more aggressively to get that full rotation?
It could be either (would have to see video to figure out what's happening for sure), but you'll definitely benefit from carving more aggressively as you ride up that take-off for 540s.

From your previous videos you were just barely getting the 540 around, which is fine, but a tiny bit more rotation wouldn't hurt if you want to make it easier to open up and not worry about coming up short on the rotation.

Where do you typically open up for your fs 540s? Ideally you'd be opening up roughly around the time you see that landing starting to come into view as you finish that last 180 of the rotation so you can square up and land.
02-05-2014 01:19 PM
Littlebigdreams
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Originally Posted by NZRide View Post
Yeah its a mental thing, step ups you can see the landing in front of you and with the kick you land slower than the takeoff. It take a bit mentally to chuck your body into a spin off a ramp where all you can see is a ramp and the sky beyond. You're definitely getting it though, hang in there. Not to take anything away from other advise on here, but you can't go wrong with the snowboard addiction vid on spins, its hands down the best spin tutorial available, one stop shop.
But you're doing the right thing, analyzing your own videos, what you think your doing is not always what you're actually doing.
I'm coming back seeking more tips!

So I've been trying to practice a bit more with my spins (unfortunately we're getting no snow in Vancouver and I usually only have time at night when the jumps are icy).

I think I got used to getting more speed and popping quite comfortably up. I've had a few almost successful 540 attempts where I felt very stable and very controlled in the air. But for most of the attempts, I will only get about 450 degrees around. After the 450 I clearly see the landing and see that my board has become horizontal (just need that extra 90 degrees to finish). But at this point my rotation seems to stop and I will land horizontally, then sit down on my butt (which kind of hurts when I'm dropping down from the air).

Is my problem "opening up too early" or something similar that's causing me to only do 450? Every time I felt like I'm in the perfectly relaxed athletic stance in the air (with knees bent, body stable, looking straight at the landing) but I could not get that last 90 degrees around. Or should I just carve up and rotate slightly more aggressively to get that full rotation?
01-29-2014 04:05 PM
NZRide Yeah its a mental thing, step ups you can see the landing in front of you and with the kick you land slower than the takeoff. It take a bit mentally to chuck your body into a spin off a ramp where all you can see is a ramp and the sky beyond. You're definitely getting it though, hang in there. Not to take anything away from other advise on here, but you can't go wrong with the snowboard addiction vid on spins, its hands down the best spin tutorial available, one stop shop.
But you're doing the right thing, analyzing your own videos, what you think your doing is not always what you're actually doing.
01-29-2014 03:53 PM
Littlebigdreams
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Originally Posted by NZRide View Post
3rd guy-Reason I'm just mentioning him is because it relates a little to the issue you had on the first video you posted of yourself (but your friend is doing it a lot more so you can more readily see it). Notice how he takes off on the right side of the kicker (far from camera) but lands on the flat on the left side of the jump (close to the camera) he has turned to early off the jump leaving it on an angle, which firstly scrubs speed and of course flying diagonally across the flat, makes hitting the landing zone much longer than heading straight off (and you said you would never need to use your trigonometry when you left school).

Note this situation is not caused by incorrect technique on the lip as you may think, he is predisposed to this outcome, with his setup turns. Look at your setup turn in contrast, coming out pretty wide on you final toeside setup turn, before shifting to your heel edge looks pretty good (I still think you could hold off transition to your heel edge a little longer). But contrast this to your mate, his toeside setup "turn" is more like he is heading straight at it for a straight air, from this position, when he moves to his heels, he will start carving to the left, as you can see has actually happened with his launch, well to the left.

Your jumps look to have improved, well done, your not far off having a good smooth 360. Keep practising man.
Thank you for the line issue out! I've read the same tip on Jed's blog and Snowboard Addition as well. Although I still do it sometimes. For some reason I am more comfortable with step-up jumps and get scared with flat or step down jumps.
01-29-2014 03:19 PM
NZRide 3rd guy-Reason I'm just mentioning him is because it relates a little to the issue you had on the first video you posted of yourself (but your friend is doing it a lot more so you can more readily see it). Notice how he takes off on the right side of the kicker (far from camera) but lands on the flat on the left side of the jump (close to the camera) he has turned to early off the jump leaving it on an angle, which firstly scrubs speed and of course flying diagonally across the flat, makes hitting the landing zone much longer than heading straight off (and you said you would never need to use your trigonometry when you left school).

Note this situation is not caused by incorrect technique on the lip as you may think, he is predisposed to this outcome, with his setup turns. Look at your setup turn in contrast, coming out pretty wide on you final toeside setup turn, before shifting to your heel edge looks pretty good (I still think you could hold off transition to your heel edge a little longer). But contrast this to your mate, his toeside setup "turn" is more like he is heading straight at it for a straight air, from this position, when he moves to his heels, he will start carving to the left, as you can see has actually happened with his launch, well to the left.

Your jumps look to have improved, well done, your not far off having a good smooth 360. Keep practising man.
01-29-2014 10:34 AM
Jed
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Originally Posted by Littlebigdreams View Post
thanks thanks!

I was trying to 360, for some reason when I 'carve' up a jump (i must be doing it wrong) for a 540, I often end up scraping a lot of speed off. Especially on slushy or bumby conditions. This freaks me out to try on bigger kickers because I really want to clear the majority of the knuckle.
Yeah slushy snow and carving tends to be like that, it's just about taking more speed in to counteract how much speed you lose trying to carving on slush. Once it gets too slushy you lose more and more of your ability to carve because your board just sinks into the slush, that's when most experienced park riders will either call it a day or swap to lower rotation tricks that don't require much carve (180s/360s).

As I mentioned in the last post, it's pretty common for most people to be 'carving' where they're just on an edge riding up the jump instead of actually carving where their board is turning. Doing the former will scrub a lot of your speed off.

I don't say it's completely a bad thing to not be doing a full blown carve, after all most experienced riders you watch doing 180s and 360s don't carve for these lower rotations, but it's something you'll need more as you transition to bigger rotations like 540s and 720s.
01-29-2014 10:14 AM
SGoldwin
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Originally Posted by Jed View Post
Rotation comes down to timing and how well you utilize the power from your carve. Notice that really hard loud sound just before that guy launches into his 720? That's his carve. He has his timing so down that he goes from flat base, to hard carve, to launching into his spin all in that short span of under 1 second and he's able to utilize all that power due to good timing.

If you want the one reason why most people struggle with 360s and beyond it's because they aren't carving properly. Sometimes it's their timing being badly off, but a lot of it is their bad carve line as well.

I guarantee if you watch 20 beginners in the park trying to spin and watch their carve lines they'll be doing this:

- Drop in, do their setup turn, get ready to carve, get on their toe or heel edge, ride up the jump in a straight line on that edge, launch into their spin.

Every single beginner thinks they're carving but really 99% of them are just riding up the jump on an edge, then trying to launch their spin. If they were carving their board would be turning left or right as they ride up the jump instead of riding in a straight line.

In reality they should be doing this:

- Drop in, do their setup turn, get ready to carve, come into the jump at an angle, carve up the jump, launch into their spin.

You can see a diagram of this carve up here: http://www.snowboardingforum.com/tip...ml#post1462145

There's a big difference between carving and riding on an edge up the jump and that's where most people go wrong with powering their spin.

The reason you don't see advanced riders utilize that carve line as much on 180s and 360s is their timing is so good that they don't need the power, but if you watch them do bigger spins on medium jumps where they want more power, you'll notice they all carve up the jump at an angle to get that extra power.
Great tip on 'carve'. I have read and followed Snowboard addictions tutorials on 360 and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0dx4qT4wrQ

But I have missed the focus on carving. I'll for sure try that next time.
01-29-2014 10:11 AM
Littlebigdreams
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Originally Posted by Jed View Post
First guy: He needs to quiet down his upper body and work on spotting that landing better. Right now it looks like he has enough rotation for that 540 (watch his lower body and notice it does most of the 540 just fine), but he has his upper body being thrown all over the place and screwing him up, especially at the landing.

If you look at the end of his rotation, he sees the landing and tries to fix his body to land, but his upper body is flying all over the place so trying to bring it in line to land stops his rotation from finishing properly and landing. Watch at 10-11 seconds in, his rotation just stops at 450 for no reason, then he lands on his butt.

What he needs to do is quiet down that upper body and just let it lead the rotation smoothly, then he won't be fighting to get it in line to land.

Second guy:

Tiny bit too slow, but you didn't knuckle too badly, would have hit the sweet spot with a tiny bit more speed.

Were you trying for a 360 or 540 there?

If it was a 360, then the rotation was fine, but you needed to spot that landing blind by looking at the knuckle instead of looking forward.

If it was a 540, you need to get more carve power, so come in with more angle and more carve to get a little bit more rotation power to get that 540 around.

Third guy:

Yeah... wrong speed, way too many setup turns and he needs to land that 360 blind (looking backwards at the knuckle and not forward when landing - although I say this assuming he has the right speed and the knuckle is behind him when he lands )
thanks thanks!

I was trying to 360, for some reason when I 'carve' up a jump (i must be doing it wrong) for a 540, I often end up scraping a lot of speed off. Especially on slushy or bumby conditions. This freaks me out to try on bigger kickers because I really want to clear the majority of the knuckle.
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