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03-20-2014 07:42 PM
globoat I can 180 off an edge traversing or on a super flat area but can't do it going down the fall line. I have a feeling someone is going to post a picture of metal balls on me again...
03-03-2014 02:17 PM
behi You definitely don't need any edge whatsoever. I don't have any problem doing a 180 with a completely flat board.

I usually sit down to strap in. If I'm facing the wrong way, I do a 180 to avoid riding switch - you get quite a bit of practice that way.
02-20-2014 06:57 AM
Aphraidknot Been following this thread, heading to Mammoth this weekend to dial in FS. Tailpress to FS 180 out sounds reasonable.
02-19-2014 07:06 PM
Jed
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Originally Posted by jliu View Post
Hey Jed....question for you. It seems like I have difficulties with front side 180s when I 'ollie' into it rather than flat base jump. If I pop off both feet I can manage to the 180 around. However, if I'm popping off the tail i really struggle to bring the back leg around enough b/c it leaves the ground later...does that make any sense? I realized this b/c I'm trying to learn tail butter 180 outs which requires me to ollie into a FS 180. Anything I can focus on? Thx!
It sounds like you're probably not pre-rotating around frontside (assuming you're ollies are correct) and so when you ollie your lower body isn't following your upper body into the spin like it should.

Basically with tail press frontside 180 out, your upper body should be almost finished with the front 180 by the time you push off your tail and ollie. This way by the time you ollie your lower body just kind of 'snaps' into that 180 since your upper body has already done most of it.

This is assuming you're ollies are correct though, it's possible you aren't loading up your tail enough and you're not doing a proper ollie, hard to say which without video of you.

If you watch the first tutorial video in my free series, there's actually an entire section on ollies and another section on butter 180s, so I'd recommend watching those tutorials if you haven't yet: Free Snowboard Freestyle Lessons & Trick Tips (just fyi - it'll require an email to view and get all the videos in the series).
02-19-2014 01:09 PM
redlude97 I also find it helps if you ollie slightly off a heels
02-19-2014 12:42 PM
Casual
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Originally Posted by jliu View Post
Hey Jed....question for you. It seems like I have difficulties with front side 180s when I 'ollie' into it rather than flat base jump. If I pop off both feet I can manage to the 180 around. However, if I'm popping off the tail i really struggle to bring the back leg around enough b/c it leaves the ground later...does that make any sense? I realized this b/c I'm trying to learn tail butter 180 outs which requires me to ollie into a FS 180. Anything I can focus on? Thx!
For a tail press 180 out you should really get into the press and then move both hands around your left hip (for regular), open your shoulders up, pretty much 90' or more to the hill and then pop. Once you pop you only turn your sholders a few more degrees and let your lower body catch up, that will bring it all around super easy.

So basically while you are pressing you wind up like a spring in the direction you want to spin, then pop and your lower body follows your shoulders around.
02-19-2014 11:10 AM
jliu
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Yeah that's pretty typical. Switch frontside 180s always feels more natural because your body will always want to go back to your normal regular stance when riding switch.

That's actually a good example of why it's so important to practice and get your 180s feeling natural all 4 ways (fs, bs, switch fs, switch bs) because once that happens you can go to all 4 360s, then all 4 540s etc REALLY quickly and also learn all the variations of spin moves that use those rotations as well (eg 270 on/270 off).
Hey Jed....question for you. It seems like I have difficulties with front side 180s when I 'ollie' into it rather than flat base jump. If I pop off both feet I can manage to the 180 around. However, if I'm popping off the tail i really struggle to bring the back leg around enough b/c it leaves the ground later...does that make any sense? I realized this b/c I'm trying to learn tail butter 180 outs which requires me to ollie into a FS 180. Anything I can focus on? Thx!
01-27-2014 12:49 PM
Jed
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Originally Posted by Ndanielson View Post
I remember learning to do flat 1's... for me, the fastest way to learn was to go into the jump switch... the landing feels much more natural and almost like a "correction" to normal stance. Its all in the hips, there should be very little windup.
Yeah that's pretty typical. Switch frontside 180s always feels more natural because your body will always want to go back to your normal regular stance when riding switch.

That's actually a good example of why it's so important to practice and get your 180s feeling natural all 4 ways (fs, bs, switch fs, switch bs) because once that happens you can go to all 4 360s, then all 4 540s etc REALLY quickly and also learn all the variations of spin moves that use those rotations as well (eg 270 on/270 off).
01-27-2014 12:41 PM
Ndanielson I remember learning to do flat 1's... for me, the fastest way to learn was to go into the jump switch... the landing feels much more natural and almost like a "correction" to normal stance. Its all in the hips, there should be very little windup.
01-26-2014 08:54 PM
ThisIsSnow so I figured out what was wrong - it was a combination of poor timing, not carving at an angle, and me not bending my knees/popping as much as i thought i was.

I'm still working on the timing and I still have to carve in at a slight angle, but at least i'm landing a fs180 semi-consistently now! Although I seem to be leaning back when I jump, because whenever I land I always have more weight over my back foot (the front foot before the jump)...
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