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02-06-2014 04:33 PM
freshy
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Originally Posted by njfastlfie View Post
so hows the sizing on the bern's? i heard to size up b.c they fit small...
I ordered mine online and just used Bern's guide and measured my head like they recommended and my XL fits perfect.
02-05-2014 01:25 PM
cerebroside
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Originally Posted by lab49232 View Post
...There's no graceful way to fall on a bike...
Can't find any good examples because I'm at work, but watch some pro dirt jump or freeride videos. Honestly have no idea how they do it.
02-05-2014 12:39 PM
ThisIsSnow
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But ya I saw that helmet a couple months ago! Super interesting and everyone looks better in a scarf although I never came across ratings for it, have you seen any? I wish I could remember now as it was when those came out I also found some video of a pivoting helmet that was suppose to help your head roll inside the helmet and reduce likelihood of concussion....
That airbag helmet thing was tested CE (the european standard) compliant, i don't think they sent it for the American certification (or maybe they did recently). I think it exceeded the testing standards by quite a wide margin... maybe you could look into that for your mountain biking

the pivoting helmet thing you are talking about is probably MIPS, it's a technology that can be put into existing helmets to reduce the rotational forces on impact. I have a helmet with MIPS inside, but i haven't fallen hard enough for the system to activate (and i sure as hell don't intend to )
02-05-2014 11:53 AM
snowklinger
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Originally Posted by njfastlfie View Post
so hows the sizing on the bern's? i heard to size up b.c they fit small...
yea, I have big head, fit most larges but had to order an xxL.
02-05-2014 07:55 AM
njfastlfie so hows the sizing on the bern's? i heard to size up b.c they fit small...
02-05-2014 12:26 AM
lab49232
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Originally Posted by ThisIsSnow View Post
whoops, guess my eyes skipped over the word "mountain" in your previous post mountain biking is some hardcore shit, i think it has the highest head injury rate of all extreme sports!

Speaking of drool-worthy helmets, this would be pretty darn comfortable... too bad it wouldn't work for snowboarding, i hate helmet hair
Biking head injuries have been enough to nearly get me to give up riding. There's no graceful way to fall on a bike and nearly all of them end in head injuries

But ya I saw that helmet a couple months ago! Super interesting and everyone looks better in a scarf although I never came across ratings for it, have you seen any? I wish I could remember now as it was when those came out I also found some video of a pivoting helmet that was suppose to help your head roll inside the helmet and reduce likelihood of concussion.... How have we not spent more money on helmet development to find the perfect one, you'd think this would be a science we'd have down pat before we managed to put a rover on Mars or explore the deepest depths of the ocean!
02-05-2014 12:03 AM
freshy I just saw a video (sorry forgot where so no link) where some Bern guys were talking about the safety standards thing with the hardhat and they just missed the certification. They did meet the certification for water sports however. So if you imagine the force of a wake boarder hitting a rail head first it's not all that different from a snowboarder doing the same thing.

I imagine the scale would look more like this
Impact force: 1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9
Hardhat....... |----------------------|
EPS helmet.........|----------------------|

After trying more helmets I care to mention I finally settled on a Bern Macon Hardhat. They are by far the most comfortable helmet I have ever worn. The fact they can easily be used for summer sports is a bonus. And all the different liners available should amply cover anyone's needs. Plus I'm not going to be ripping thru the park at mach speeds or attempting any 50' gaps while being inverted.
02-04-2014 11:54 PM
ThisIsSnow whoops, guess my eyes skipped over the word "mountain" in your previous post mountain biking is some hardcore shit, i think it has the highest head injury rate of all extreme sports!

Speaking of drool-worthy helmets, this would be pretty darn comfortable... too bad it wouldn't work for snowboarding, i hate helmet hair
02-04-2014 11:48 PM
tokyo_dom Damn. So i did some googling to find out what the helmet testing standards are for snow sports, and among the top results was this article:
Encore: The Problem with Snowsports Helmets — Progress Made - The Backcountry Skiing Blog which basically says that none of the current helmet designs will really do much except offer protection against concussion in certain situations.

I wear a helmet for quite a few reasons, not all of them being about safety (i personally think they look good, and they prevent against yardsale type situations where you have to collect your goggles/beanie after a fall). But it seems that from a safety aspect, they wouldnt do much for your typical high speed hill bomber (bopping my head on the corner of a box seems to be one area where even my Sandbox will protect me)
02-04-2014 11:43 PM
lab49232
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Originally Posted by ThisIsSnow View Post
Yes, the Brock foam used in Bern hardhats is designed for multi-impact use instead of the single-impact EPS foam. And yes, the testing system is single-impact (not exactly sure if the specifics, but it involves strapping the helmet to a dummy and dropping it onto a hard surface once). But you are wrong when you say that "it's not that the helmet necessarily failed to protect against a level of impact". Hardhats by definition fail the ASTM/CE level of impact protection. If they could withstand the impact once, they could be marketed as "multi-impact helmets" instead of this "hardhat" name, which would make it sell even better.
Very true when they developed the helmets years ago. But it's my understanding they no longer test the hardhats even as design has progressed with these tests each year as they aren't designed for this type of testing. I'm by no means saying they would pass today, just that they aren't made to and as a result are not even tested the way every new helmet is required to be tested to be called a helmet. It's all a conversation of brock foam vs EPS and it is true EPS is generally rated for higher impacts, I was not trying to debate that and I hope it didn't come off as such.

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Falling from a bike, for example, is unlikely to generate so much force to crack a hardhat or a helmet. Bike helmets are designed with commuters in mind, so the forces involved in low-speed collisions with cars are significantly higher.
I can assure you mountain bike falls are more than capable of destroying helmets or hardhats haha! But yes your facts are basically 100% correct and I wasn't trying to call any of them out, in fact I love anybody promoting helmet or hardhat use. Just trying to say hardhats have come a LONG way and in my years of dealing with falls and helmets, either retail or personal experience, is that if you fall hard enough to hurt yourself in a hardhat you injuries will be nearly if not equally as bad even if wearing a lid with a "helmet" rating. Basically you can't lose but for the love of God wear something! I learned the hard way that helmet or not it wont always protect you from a TBI but it does greatly lower the risks and I'm lucky I escaped alive before I learned this lesson.

BTW for those bikers out there looking for a new helmet, wait until you see what Smith has coming out this season! It's basically an open air foamless helmet that is super sick! Not sure what the rating is on it as I was too busy drooling to ask...
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