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10-20-2014 12:32 PM
TooNice I feel silly asking, but is "heft" a different term for weight? I am not growing in height (sadly), nor is my feet going to grow any bigger (sadly) discounting bloats from long hikes. My weight fluctuate a little but never too much.

I have more or less resigned to the fact that I will probably get a longer board later though. I am thinking that it might be neat to have a board that is soft (but not too soft to the point that it is detrimental), and complement it with a longer, and stiffer board later on at which point I may look into the the GNU.

Is anyone familiar with Jones Snowboard? In particular, the Mountain Twin (Sister) series. Reviews seems to make it as an all rounder. It has the same R/C/R camber profile as the Yes Basic / Emoticon, but seems to be perhaps a little more aggressive (without being actually being an aggressive board).
10-19-2014 08:02 AM
wrathfuldeity it might be easier to learn on a softer board...but you will eventually want...perhaps quickly due to your man muscle...a stiffer woman's board. A stiffer board will give you more energy/pop, will hold an edge better and will not fold up in the deeper fluff. If you are passionate, half way aggressive and want an all mtn board that will have room/capitity for progression in to the intermediate and advanced level....Furthermore just to buy 1 board now instead of a beginner/intermediate and then an advanced.

also idk what age ur and if you will be growing or getting more heft

Get a gnu Bpro in the appropriate size...a proven board that shreds...a bpro fanboy...infact just bought a 155 c2btx for my allmtn hotrod cruising board.
10-19-2014 06:53 AM
TooNice On paper, I am really keen on the new Yes Emoticon (Yes Emoticon Review and Buying Advice). It is a Yes Basic sized for ladies, i.e. with a waist width more suited for my foot size. I have heard great things about the Yes Basic in the past, and while it has changed quite a bit this year (The YES Basic Review by The Good Ride), the reviewers seem to feel that it is a good all-rounder albeit with a tip/tail a bit too soft, though medium between the feet. The Emoticon would be a lsofter yet though I am not sure how much softer. Yes's homepage lists both the Basic and Emoticon as "Medium Flex", though The Good Ride rate them both as medium/soft.

What I was thinking is that perhaps it would still be good enough for me to learn various things excluding going very fast or deep powder. I am hoping that it would be forgiving board to practice nice and controlled turns in steeper slopes and moguls, cope with small jumps (being able to spin would be a plus) and practice riding switch to begin with. Once I am more confident, I may look into a stiffer, more aggressive directional board, but I am also thinking that perhaps the softer nature of this board would allow me to keep it as a beginner park board at least for a while.

The problem is that the Emoticon is brand new so I don't expect anyone to be able to comment on how much softer it is to the Basic.
10-17-2014 06:21 PM
radiomuse210
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Sorry for reviving this again, but I have one more sets of question before I pull the trigger on my first board (only took 6 months ^^.

A few members suggested that IF I was to go for a women's board, that I should get a stiffer board, I guess if only to make up for the fact that women's board are on average already softer than men's boards (based on what I have read).

What I am wondering what issues I may encounter if I was to go for a board that is not so stiff (med or even med/soft)? I have read that a light weight beginner may have trouble controlling a stiff board. Well, I am neither light for the board size I am aiming for, and I have plenty of strength but what will happen if I go for a more flexible board? Would it be harder to control in general? Or harder to do certain maneuver (carving perhaps)?

It would be easier to give you feedback if we knew the specific boards you are looking at. Even though you may fit into the weight range of a women's board, yes the flex is softer as men tend to have more muscle mass/strength than women (this is a huge simplification of what I read about women vs men board flex). So if you go for a softer women's board, even if it is sized for your weight, you could over power it with your strength. There are guys boards out there built for a smaller rider but that also account for the strength differences of a guy vs a girl. A stiffer women's board may be a better choice if you are going that route.

I am not an expert...I have trouble picking my own damn boards it could end up working for you, especially seeing as you are just starting out. You will outgrow your first board - but you don't want to do so halfway through the season or have it chatter and wash out at speed/on edge because you are over-flexing it.

What boards are you looking at?
10-17-2014 04:23 PM
augie back to your boot question. (I skimmed the thread, so apologies if this repost).

Yes to spending whatever it takes for the right boots, but word of caution. If this is your first time buying boots, it's very likely you end up in the wrong boots unless you have a very good shop guy helping out. I say this because I am that guy that went through 2 pair of boots before I started to learn what my feet needed. First pair fit perfect for a week, then packed out so much, my feet were swimming in them. This caused severe arch cramping. Custom insoles in that pair of boots didn't help. next pair I bought a full size smaller than my foot, but that brand of boot didn't pack out at all, so I started losing toe nails. 3rd pair worked great.
10-17-2014 03:00 PM
TooNice Sorry for reviving this again, but I have one more sets of question before I pull the trigger on my first board (only took 6 months ^^.

A few members suggested that IF I was to go for a women's board, that I should get a stiffer board, I guess if only to make up for the fact that women's board are on average already softer than men's boards (based on what I have read).

What I am wondering what issues I may encounter if I was to go for a board that is not so stiff (med or even med/soft)? I have read that a light weight beginner may have trouble controlling a stiff board. Well, I am neither light for the board size I am aiming for, and I have plenty of strength but what will happen if I go for a more flexible board? Would it be harder to control in general? Or harder to do certain maneuver (carving perhaps)?
08-22-2014 05:02 AM
neni
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Will 146cm definitely be too short to enjoy powder? Or fine to begin with?

Will 149cm definitely be too long to freestyle on as a beginner? Or still okay?

...or I will sink right in at the first sight of powder, I shall go 149cm.
Yes, a 146 will suck in pow. But so will the 149 (I had a 149 all-mountain deck which I loved for it's easy maneuverability compared to my other way longer boards, but it sucked in pow, and I'm lighter than you). Skip your concern about pow for later. Even if you would take a 149, it would submarine if you don't surf at*continuous high speed, which you won't be able to maintain in your early phase anyway.

Get a 145ish intermediate freestyle oriented all-mountain board now to learn. I've no expertise on this type of decks... have only ridden a Burton Custom and Rome Agent and would say both are easy going playful boards for beginners. Others would need to chime in to judge if they're suitable for park.

Later, if you have the basics settled and confidently rip groomers, want to ride faster, carve, ride pow, get a 153ish directional freeride board. Or whatever your interests will be then.

Don't worry now. Go step by step. Don't try to juggle/compromise by going bigger. You'll end up with a board that does nothing well.
08-22-2014 03:32 AM
wrathfuldeity
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What are the consequences? Does that mean that I am more likely to damage/break a women's board?

Generally, No...I ride 2 women's boards but they are old stiff high-end Option models and I'm 5'6", 180# and size 7 men's or women's 7.5-8

As jtg pointed out though, my present weight is 132lb and I am aiming for about 125-128lb by the start of this season, so I am guessing that for non-powder use, I'd still be looking at a sub-150cm board for "general" use.

144 is probably the low end...my daughter is your size and her short board is a 144 cambered stiffy and pow board is a 155...and then she skis on Surface labs that are 181 with 161/131/161

I'd also like to point out again that my feet are (regretfully) only 24cm, i.e. US 6 (Male) - which, even in Japan requires me to shop at the ladies section for boots.

I use women's size 7.5-8 ... 32 focus boas and k2 contours

That is why I am so concerned about WW. Just about every guide/charts I've come across online is saying that a WW of 240mm is optimal for me (one calculator even suggested a WW of 233mm - pretty sure I won't find it outside the junior section haha Snowboard Size Calculator, Sizing Guide). And I do have a nagging feeling that WW is every bit as important to get right as the size of the board because it directly affect turns.

ww 23.5-25cm...optimal for me is about 24.5cm...though my billygoat is 25 and my charlie slasher is 26

I am going on a trip in a few hours so I can't look up the boards mentioned above but I will definitely do it when I come back.

Until then, I am kind of hoping that someone will clarify. Assuming a naked weight of 130lb:

Will 146cm definitely be too short to enjoy powder? Or fine to begin with?

Will 149cm definitely be too long to freestyle on as a beginner? Or still okay?

Depends on the skills

I would really like to start with something that is suitable for "All Mountain Freestyle". A length that may not be optimal for anything, but good enough for me to comfortably learn on.

look at gnu bpro or lady choice or even a smaller rider's choice...imho they are darn nice boards of a dude of your stature because they are generally stiffer than most other women's boards

If 146cm won't be "only good for park", then it doesn't sound like a bad idea to start with (so far, all my rental boards have been about this size - when letting the staff choose the board), then keep it as a park board as I progress and decide I need a longer board (or perhaps sell it off if I decide park isn't for me). But if it too short to be enjoyable on even groomed resort piste at various level of difficulty, or I will sink right in at the first sight of powder, I shall go 149cm.

pow sinkage also depends on skill and pow type

You guys have already convinced me that I learn to enjoy powder and that I will need a longer board for that. But right now I am still at the stage where I am getting used to linking turns at progressively more challenging slopes ^^;
At least you don't have the small feet and heft issue me haz.
08-22-2014 01:59 AM
jtg
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Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
What are the consequences? Does that mean that I am more likely to damage/break a women's board?

As jtg pointed out though, my present weight is 132lb and I am aiming for about 125-128lb by the start of this season, so I am guessing that for non-powder use, I'd still be looking at a sub-150cm board for "general" use.

I'd also like to point out again that my feet are (regretfully) only 24cm, i.e. US 6 (Male) - which, even in Japan requires me to shop at the ladies section for boots.

That is why I am so concerned about WW. Just about every guide/charts I've come across online is saying that a WW of 240mm is optimal for me (one calculator even suggested a WW of 233mm - pretty sure I won't find it outside the junior section haha Snowboard Size Calculator, Sizing Guide). And I do have a nagging feeling that WW is every bit as important to get right as the size of the board because it directly affect turns.

I am going on a trip in a few hours so I can't look up the boards mentioned above but I will definitely do it when I come back.

Until then, I am kind of hoping that someone will clarify. Assuming a naked weight of 130lb:

Will 146cm definitely be too short to enjoy powder? Or fine to begin with?

Will 149cm definitely be too long to freestyle on as a beginner? Or still okay?

I would really like to start with something that is suitable for "All Mountain Freestyle". A length that may not be optimal for anything, but good enough for me to comfortably learn on.

If 146cm won't be "only good for park", then it doesn't sound like a bad idea to start with (so far, all my rental boards have been about this size - when letting the staff choose the board), then keep it as a park board as I progress and decide I need a longer board (or perhaps sell it off if I decide park isn't for me). But if it too short to be enjoyable on even groomed resort piste at various level of difficulty, or I will sink right in at the first sight of powder, I shall go 149cm.

You guys have already convinced me that I learn to enjoy powder and that I will need a longer board for that. But right now I am still at the stage where I am getting used to linking turns at progressively more challenging slopes ^^;
It does depend on the board when answering the length question. But generally I'd say go for the 146, then when you're good and want an aggressive board for all mountain and can do powder as well, maybe look at a Yes TDF in 150N, which is 242mm and not a women's board. For now, the 146 will do everything you need. But, a stiff 146 with blunted tips is going to be more board than a soft rocker/camber/rocker 149, so that's just a rough guideline. Really you could go either way and it won't make or break it.

FYI a few brands make mens 6 boots as well. K2, Burton, 32 all do, perhaps others.
08-21-2014 04:00 PM
Brewtown Choosing a snowboard is all about trade offs, some boards are going to be more versatile than others but generally speaking a characteristic that makes a board good at one thing will make it worse at another. The 146 will be more maneuverable to better suit park riding but will provide less stability at speed and float in powder, just the opposite for the 149. A women's board with a narrow waist will be easier to turn but less stable. At this point you're analyzing a board over 3cms in length or 5mms in ww, the difference is pretty marginal and mostly boils down to personal preference. Just pick one and go snowboard.
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