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03-26-2014 08:25 AM
ItchEtrigR
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Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
What you sacrifice in that one aspect is more than made up for in added pow float, stability etc of the setback. Twins have their place but so do setback boards. The majority of people ride don't ride switch very often. Many pros use setback boards for big mountain riding landing switch constantly. Its not a big deal in general. I think twins are overemphasized for many riders who don't need them.
Hard to not agree here, unless you specifically in the park with lots spins,switch landings & tail presses your probably better off with 10 to 20mm of setback. It's just a better board for a more all purpose ride. You get the dampening, stability & float of a longer softer nose, a shorter stiffer tail to drive you out of your exit and a shorter stiffer load up to pop an ollie. Lots of reasons to go directional. I think the problem is the emphasis in freestyle. Everyone wants to snowboard like they are making the cover of a magazine. Truth is 99.9% of us including me never even make it to snowboarding at a high enough level that swing weight will make a difference.
03-26-2014 06:35 AM
IceShredEC
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Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
What you sacrifice in that one aspect is more than made up for in added pow float, stability etc of the setback. Twins have their place but so do setback boards. The majority of people ride don't ride switch very often. Many pros use setback boards for big mountain riding landing switch constantly. Its not a big deal in general. I think twins are overemphasized for many riders who don't need them.
probably true, but as you most likely know.. as you get used to one thing (true twin) having a change (added weight and length behind you) can drastically change the ride. riding switch on hard pack is pretty tough on a snowboard in general.. just keep practicing
03-25-2014 05:43 PM
redlude97
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Originally Posted by d2cycles View Post
True...except for switch in hard packed moguls. That extra length behind the back foot when doing pivot turns switch makes it more challenging.

I've been riding more switch than normal this season (60/40) because of an ankle injury in Nov. Until this year, I didn't realize how much better the true twin really was at switch. On a twin, I forget which way I'm riding and really have to think about setup before throwing a trick. On a directional board, it is easy to remember...the difference in the way it rides is very noticeable.

OP - sorry for the off topic deviation.
What you sacrifice in that one aspect is more than made up for in added pow float, stability etc of the setback. Twins have their place but so do setback boards. The majority of people ride don't ride switch very often. Many pros use setback boards for big mountain riding landing switch constantly. Its not a big deal in general. I think twins are overemphasized for many riders who don't need them.
03-25-2014 05:25 PM
d2cycles
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Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
The less than 1" of setback most boards have should not have a dramatic affect on your switch riding.
True...except for switch in hard packed moguls. That extra length behind the back foot when doing pivot turns switch makes it more challenging.

I've been riding more switch than normal this season (60/40) because of an ankle injury in Nov. Until this year, I didn't realize how much better the true twin really was at switch. On a twin, I forget which way I'm riding and really have to think about setup before throwing a trick. On a directional board, it is easy to remember...the difference in the way it rides is very noticeable.

OP - sorry for the off topic deviation.
03-25-2014 04:44 PM
redlude97
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Originally Posted by d2cycles View Post
Why do you see the setback as such a good thing?

I don't like the setback any longer unless it is a powder day. I find that the setback sucks completely in moguls when riding switch.
The less than 1" of setback most boards have should not have a dramatic affect on your switch riding.
03-25-2014 04:34 PM
Dago91 I have to agree with Liv.. I have an NS Legacy.. float is good in Pow. However, I just got a 2015 Solomon Sick Stick and man holy shit what a difference!! We just got like 20 inches fresh here in the swiss alps and while my Legacy would float ok in Pow the Sick Stick is just effortless.. I mean it lives for the deep stuff!!
03-25-2014 02:21 PM
IceShredEC gotcha. i just see boards like my salomon powder snake being setback rocker also.. i guess i just need to find some miracle and actually have a deep powder day when i go out west.
03-25-2014 01:47 PM
d2cycles
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Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
Not everyone should be riding true twins, setback is a good thing even on groomers.
Why do you see the setback as such a good thing?

I don't like the setback any longer unless it is a powder day. I find that the setback sucks completely in moguls when riding switch.
03-25-2014 01:45 PM
linvillegorge
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Originally Posted by IceShredEC View Post
a board with a set back stance and rocker is what a ton of companies use... what are you saying... the raptor is THE POWDER BOARD... all thats different is its stiffer and the front has slightly more camber than the rear.. not going to make the biggest difference..
Ride a Cobra in deep powder, then ride an actual powder board like Capita Charlie Slasher or Jones Hovercraft. There's a huge difference. The Cobra is an all-mountain board that is good in powder, it is not a powder specific board.
03-25-2014 01:31 PM
redlude97
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a board with a set back stance and rocker is what a ton of companies use... what are you saying... the raptor is THE POWDER BOARD... all thats different is its stiffer and the front has slightly more camber than the rear.. not going to make the biggest difference..
The raptor isn't a powder board either. The summit is NS's powder board. Just because a board has setback and rocker doesn't make it a powder board. It makes them more freeride oriented. All of NS's boards have RC. Not everyone should be riding true twins, setback is a good thing even on groomers.
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