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|04-03-2014 10:00 PM|
Originally Posted by Jed View Post
|04-03-2014 09:14 PM|
Originally Posted by Caffeine View Post
|04-03-2014 09:07 PM|
|Caffeine||Ok so basically a cork is any spin that is off axis and not level. Both vids I posted are corked 540s but the first one is more boned out and stylish?|
|04-03-2014 12:57 PM|
Yeah I'm not disagreeing with your point that they should aim for the best technique, but for me when I read the OP post and it seems he's as confused as what 'counts' as a cork, as he is asking what counts as a good cork. So I figured explain the answers to both questions.
No reason he can't know what the term 'corking' means in general AND also strive for great stylish corked 540s. That's my style of teaching anyhow, I don't like telling people the end result only, I like to make sure they understand each part of a skill first, otherwise people just become robots who can't think and piece together tricks for themselves later.
Maybe I'm being overly detailed *shrug*
|04-03-2014 12:19 PM|
The pow was great, time to take a nap before driving to bigsky.....
That was not aggressive. That was making a point clear. I love your tutorials and the vast majority of info you provide. However, you are a professional coach, freestyle coach, of which I know many. You need to provide proper info and encourage people to get to that proper technique. If you encourage mediocre, they will stay that way rather than excel.
If your intention is to spin flat and it's jacked up, it's not corked. If your intention is to cork and you don't or it's got just barely an off axis rotation, it's not a cork.....
Next time I will throw some emoticons in there so I don't make you sad....
|04-03-2014 10:57 AM|
Originally Posted by ryannorthcott View Post
It just becomes unnecessary to say cork or no cork unless someone is asking about it specifically, then you might say something like "oh yeah - I like to cork my bs 7s".
Cork progression is kind of getting crazy these days though, every kid in the big resort towns has trampoline coaching and I swear every second park guy in Whistler has at least one double cork down these days.
|04-03-2014 10:22 AM|
Learn How To Snowboard: Front Side 540 | Snowboard Tricks For Freestyle Snowboarding - YouTube
If you look at that dude, he is teaching frontside 540s, but he gets off axis as well. I would still classify what he is doing as a plain 540 if I saw some guy do it, it's almost like tweaking out a grab, that little bit of off axis just adds steez but the board never gets to a point where it is over his head.
|04-03-2014 08:52 AM|
I'm trying to explain to him what 'corking' means before talking about the whole confusing 'legit' part. A bad cork or a good cork are both corks by definition if they're off-axis rotations, that's all I'm trying to explain to him so he knows the difference between a regular and cork spin. The cork part just refers to the off-axis rotation, which is what I'm trying to explain.
And for the record, I never said anything about not calling out a sloppy corked spin and I never said he should do sloppy ugly corks. By all means, if someone spins an ugly cork you can say it's ugly, but that doesn't automatically mean every cork that isn't fully inverted is an ugly sloppy spin.
It's quite possible to cork a spin off axis without going pass horizontal and still make it very stylish and in control. I have friends who do very smooth, stylish corked 7s that don't reach invert, but they're still clearly corked and off-axis.
There's a difference between a sloppy flat spin that accidentally corked, and a controlled corked spin that wasn't corked off-axis enough to be inverted.
That's all I'm trying to explain in that it's still possible to do corked spins that look good and are stylish and under control while not quite reaching that full invert.
|04-03-2014 08:37 AM|
Yeah. You will also get eye rolls in a park with calling a sloppy flat spin a cork. He wants to know what a proper cork spin is, tell him what it is. Don't tell him he can slop up a spin and say he does corks, it's not right if your a "coach" or "teacher". Sure say he is getting there but def not correct....
Gotta go make some fresh pow turns so I'll get back later with more debate....
|04-03-2014 07:34 AM|
There's a pretty big difference between asking 'what does it mean to cork a spin' and 'what does a contest judge looks for in a perfect corked spin' so I'm just explaining both sides.
OP, for example, you'd probably get a few eyerolls in the park if you started critiquing people pulling off stylish corked 720s that weren't going quite inverted and telling them it wasn't a corked spin, because even if in a contest scenario they may not score as high as a guy really corking out his 720s, it's still a corked spin.
So I suppose it depends on what scenario you mean by 'legit corked spin'. And this is why if you look in the youtube comments of a lot of corked trick videos you'll have 50 kids debating about the legit-ness of a corked spin as if it was the meaning of life.
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