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04-09-2014 11:18 AM
twowheeled One of my coworkers tried this, he graduated with a degree in engineering and tried to work as a BC guide, for skiing in the winter and also mountaineering/climbing in the summer. Didn't take long for him to realize the numbers didn't work. All I can say is, if you are leaving college with some debt and want to support yourself as a guide, good luck.
04-09-2014 07:40 AM
larrytbull not saying drop price of food, drop price of lift ticket keep food the same ....make lots of money on hungry people on the slopes
04-09-2014 07:23 AM
andrewdod Well see yeah you can do that, but you also gotta remember food costs a lot of money as well. So that's not something id be willing to try right away I'd keep the food at it's current level.
04-09-2014 07:20 AM
larrytbull
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Originally Posted by andrewdod View Post
I agree with you, but you gotta remember some of these high dollar resorts still do that. They have a scale for customer satisfaction that ski nh does. Waterville ranks number 1 out of all resorts yet they still have a hard time bringing people in... Yet loon is packed with people. It could be a number of reasons perhaps the terrain, the price, the lodging accommodations. A simple way that I would see if I could help it is fix something that I have control over... I'd see if I could drop the price and if I could that would be how I start.
The real way to make money is in the concessions.. If you drop the price to a 25-40 level more people show, the potential then is to sell them more expensive/ profitable stuff, beer, burgers, chips......
04-09-2014 06:39 AM
andrewdod
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Originally Posted by wrathfuldeity View Post
not to derail...but...imho the fix is not to get in a leveraged/loan position that result in spendy lift tix prices... and focus on the experience of the consumer and not the corperate profits for the share holders. Our little hill has $50/day, basically no lines at the chair, no corporate bs littering the hill and does a reasonable job of having a "decent" experience for the counsumer (qualified...know your shit and take care of your shit...we are not here to pamper your shit). And it is no secret that working for the hill...ur there because you want to be on the hill and don't mind getting screwed as an employee....cause there are much better ways of riding more than working for the hill.

I agree with you, but you gotta remember some of these high dollar resorts still do that. They have a scale for customer satisfaction that ski nh does. Waterville ranks number 1 out of all resorts yet they still have a hard time bringing people in... Yet loon is packed with people. It could be a number of reasons perhaps the terrain, the price, the lodging accommodations. A simple way that I would see if I could help it is fix something that I have control over... I'd see if I could drop the price and if I could that would be how I start.
04-09-2014 03:14 AM
wrathfuldeity
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As if paying 75 bucks for a lift ticket isn't enough for you? No, what they need to do is lower the price 10 dollars and watch the people roll in. The resort i work at charges 70 bucks a ticket and only cleared 3,500 people during massachusetts vacation, which is our busiest time of the year. Bottom line is the price of lift tickets is to expensive, and the industry is suffering because they are charging way to much, if they lowered the price by 10 bucks there would be way more people on the mountain, and they could pay people more. I guarantee if i had a hold of the books for some of these resorts, performed a break even analysis per ticket, and dropped the price a little bit according to the BEA tells me there would be a lot more people on the mountain. When the mountain does half price tickets, they bring in 5k plus... Seems to me that if they dropped the price 10 bucks i estimate they would do around 4000-4500 people a day.



A lot of mountains can't afford to pay their people... like the one i work at... its no secret they are in the red... but they do take care of us (the employees)... upper management is nothing but accommodating to us. they give us all a pass, we can get tix to almost any resort in NH if we ask for them, we get 10 free lift tickets for friends and family, and they throw parties for us pretty frequently... Its not that they dont want too... its that they simply cant... but as i stated above there are things that are being done wrong, and can probably be fixed.
not to derail...but...imho the fix is not to get in a leveraged/loan position that result in spendy lift tix prices... and focus on the experience of the consumer and not the corperate profits for the share holders. Our little hill has $50/day, basically no lines at the chair, no corporate bs littering the hill and does a reasonable job of having a "decent" experience for the counsumer (qualified...know your shit and take care of your shit...we are not here to pamper your shit). And it is no secret that working for the hill...ur there because you want to be on the hill and don't mind getting screwed as an employee....cause there are much better ways of riding more than working for the hill.
04-09-2014 01:10 AM
MGD81
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The best thing to do would be call up Silverton Mountain and see if they offer an apprenticeship program. After checking with them look into any of the various BC cat operations that have heli's i.e. some of the ones around AK or Revelstoke. After that reach out to SASS and talk to them. If none of those options pan out go after cat ski operations like those in the Cascades or Northern CO. I would personally say go with the NW ones as the terrain is far better than what you would find in CO.
I agree.

Vail Resorts does no more than any other large scale resort does, not out of the goodness of their hearts, but because it makes commercial sense. Most people do 1 or 2 or 5 and done with VR and leave because charging 850 for a private lesson and paying the instructor 100 starts to grind on you. Instructors talk a lot, I have a pretty good idea of who makes what.

I NEVER said that guiding and instructing are the same thing.
04-09-2014 12:45 AM
BurtonAvenger
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And there it is, not surprising yet again you fall back on personal insults.

I didn't say that instructing was guiding, but its a good way to start your career, especially if the local guides work as instructors from time to time in the same ski school you work at - I would say that's a pretty damn good way to get a foot in the door. That and it pays way more than being a lifty IF you find the right mountain.

I have no doubt you have seen plenty of fucktard instructors, you do live at Breck after all, Vail resorts pays just over minimum wage for new instructors, not really going to get them cream of the crop is it. Breck is good for about 1 thing, its park scene, which I have to admit is pretty fucking impressive.

Like I said, not everywhere is like bro-town. Give the girl some slack.
I call it how I see it, if you can't deal with that maybe the Internet isn't for you.

Actually Vail resorts sets first year instructors up pretty well to make it a career. It's what they do with it after that which dictates that. As most suck as people and are only here to do the one and done this is why they can't make shit for a wage. But the point is INSTRUCTING is not GUIDING.

Playing tour guide around in bounds terrain at any resort is not the same as being dropped on a face out of a heli. That right there is the biggest difference in what you're trying to tell this person. This whole local guide principal is just bullshit tour guided skip the line crap at a resort which to get to that level you have to pay dues and put in time, hence not getting closer to the end result.

The best thing to do would be call up Silverton Mountain and see if they offer an apprenticeship program. After checking with them look into any of the various BC cat operations that have heli's i.e. some of the ones around AK or Revelstoke. After that reach out to SASS and talk to them. If none of those options pan out go after cat ski operations like those in the Cascades or Northern CO. I would personally say go with the NW ones as the terrain is far better than what you would find in CO.

Shred the only reason I list EMT1 is there are skill sets you learn in there that will carry over, Emt2 and above is where the training will really pan out. Mountaineering courses will also pay off as well.

And because I forgot to throw this in I'm adding it now. Riding ability is huge. Being proficient in the ability to ride and comprehend the natural terrain which is ever changing can make or break you. No offense to the OP but being from the Midwest I doubt you've ever done a 20k day of vertical non stop.
04-09-2014 12:13 AM
MGD81
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Originally Posted by ShredLife View Post
just because you lack the creativity to follow what you want doesn't mean that other people do too.
Thanks for the concern, but i'm doing alright.

Splitting is my passion, I have no intention of turning it into work.

Making assumptions on people you don't even know makes you look like a real fucking idiot.
04-08-2014 11:37 PM
ShredLife
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I didn't realize being a dedicated backcountry rider paid the bills. My bad.

Let me know where this happens, I and every one of my backcountry crew will quit our jobs we do to pay the bills so we can ride backcountry, and move there.
just because you lack the creativity to follow what you want doesn't mean that other people do too.
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