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08-31-2014 11:35 AM
kaipirinha81
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Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
Can't wait until this guy asks about waxing...
No I promise I won't ask about waxing in this topic. Sometimes my question could be very ridiculous, but I ask Because I am a litle newbie in this. The only experience I have with gear was my actual nitro prime taped with raiden strike bindings that does not have heel cup adjustment and I thought all bindings were like this.
I already understand that if I go with the cartels I will have more problems to try to center the binding and the boot on the board.
So I will have to take this into consideration also, at the moment I the Union Atlas from 2014 are in advantage I haven't read about any major problems, but I would like to know opinions regarding the Rome Targa 2014 I have read in this forum good and bad things I would like to have opinions regarding his reliability if you know anyone who have tried this or you already try them?
The Targa seems very atractive to me but I don't want a binding that I have to re-tight the so many screws that it has after 2 or 3 runs (I read some reports about this). At least that they stay in place during an entire day on the slopes.
08-29-2014 12:10 AM
Brewtown
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Originally Posted by chomps1211 View Post
That movement fore & aft was even more restricted with the new reflex models of the Cartels. They removed material from the mounting base plate to let the binding flex with the board. To do so they had to get rid of one of the mounting screw holes.
Yeah a cm might be generous. I love the binding but it's crazy how deep the heel loop is. I'm actually surprised I haven't seen more complaints about this as the large is recommended for size 10+ and yet I have to keep my 11.5s pushed forward on every board I have. There's no way a size 10 would get centered in those bindings if it has any kind of footprint reduction.
08-28-2014 11:49 PM
linvillegorge Can't wait until this guy asks about waxing...
08-28-2014 11:47 PM
chomps1211
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Originally Posted by Brewtown View Post

The heel loop is adjustable on the Atlas and Targa, meaning you will be able to perfectly center your boots on just about any board. The Cartel has a solid heel loop so your ability to center your boots is limited to moving the entire baseplate forward or backward, which you can only move about a cm in either direction.
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That movement fore & aft was even more restricted with the new reflex models of the Cartels. They removed material from the mounting base plate to let the binding flex with the board. To do so they had to get rid of one of the mounting screw holes.
08-28-2014 10:20 PM
Brewtown
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Originally Posted by kaipirinha81 View Post
Sorry about my bad english it is not my mother language. From what I understand from your post the heel cups are adjustable (I didn't know that I thought they were fixed) and they should be alligned by a pro? Where is the problem I am not seeing the point. As I will order them online I don't have option to ask to a pro to center anything. I don't have snowshops in my area.
If you could explain better the situation of the heel cups I would apreciated.
As you already had experience with Rome what do you think of their Targa's?
Best regards
Ok are you familiar with how to mount bindings on a board? And how to adjust them in order to get your boot centered on the board (equal overhang toeside and heelside)?

The heel loop is adjustable on the Atlas and Targa, meaning you will be able to perfectly center your boots on just about any board. The Cartel has a solid heel loop so your ability to center your boots is limited to moving the entire baseplate forward or backward, which you can only move about a cm in either direction.

Since we have similar size boots I'll make this easy: If you buy the 25.6 board you will be able to center your boots just fine with a size large cartel. If you go with the 26.4 you will have more overhang on the heel side than the toe side. With the Atlases you can get just about any size board you want and you will be able to adjust the heel loop to get your boots centered.
08-28-2014 10:15 PM
highme It's something you can do on your own. You don't need to pay anybody to do it.
08-28-2014 08:28 PM
kaipirinha81 Sorry about my bad english it is not my mother language. From what I understand from your post the heel cups are adjustable (I didn't know that I thought they were fixed) and they should be alligned by a pro? Where is the problem I am not seeing the point. As I will order them online I don't have option to ask to a pro to center anything. I don't have snowshops in my area.
If you could explain better the situation of the heel cups I would apreciated.
As you already had experience with Rome what do you think of their Targa's?
Best regards
08-28-2014 08:07 PM
chomps1211
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Originally Posted by highme View Post

I like both bindings about the same, they each have good points and flaws. I like the adjustable heel loop on the Unions, but I think I have the 12/13 models & the toe ratchet can be problematic. The Cartels were super comfy & all the hardware works like a champ. They are a little softer than the Unions. The Unions do have the adjustable toe ramp (I don't remember if the Cartels do or not).
If you are going to go with the reflex Cartel's? Make sure they center up properly on your board with your boots in them. They do not have adjustable heel cups and unless there has been a design change in recent models? Some people have reported trouble getting them to center up on their decks.

I own three pairs of Cartels. Two from 2010/11, before they went with the reflex design and a reflex pair from 2012/13. I really like the Cartels, but,… I bought them for my NS Proto. Turns out I couldn't use them on the Proto or my Arbor Roundhouse. They wouldn't center the up properly with my boots. I had either too much toe or heel overhang. (+18 / -12 angles.) The only deck I have that they would center on on was my Rome Garage Rocker.

…and the Reflex model does have an adjustable toe ramp.
08-28-2014 07:27 PM
highme
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Originally Posted by kaipirinha81 View Post
highme from what I understand you prefer the cartels over the Union Force what major diferences did you noticed (since you liked the Force's also).
It's already been stated, but you will be fine with that waist width. I have size 12s & as long as I have a 25cm waist width I'm pretty comfortable.

I like both bindings about the same, they each have good points and flaws. I like the adjustable heel loop on the Unions, but I think I have the 12/13 models & the toe ratchet can be problematic. The Cartels were super comfy & all the hardware works like a champ. They are a little softer than the Unions. The Unions do have the adjustable toe ramp (I don't remember if the Cartels do or not).

Basically, if I were in your shoes, I'd buy whichever pair I could get the best deal on.
08-28-2014 06:22 PM
Brewtown 15/12. Trust me you are completely over thinking at this point. If you set them at 0/0 at the narrowest possible stance width then maybe you would have a problem, otherwise 25.6 is fine no matter what binding you go with. Going any wider than that is purely preference for a wide board, you don't need it.
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