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01-19-2011 04:43 PM
HoboMaster There was a chinese-spammer but he got banned.
01-19-2011 04:37 PM
Perpetual3am
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don't you ruin this thread you spamming piece of shit, I bet you are beneath even skiing.
Who are you talking to?
01-18-2011 03:06 AM
BliND KiNK don't you ruin this thread you spamming piece of shit, I bet you are beneath even skiing.
01-15-2011 01:55 PM
Perpetual3am It's laughable that your first two posts Munky were somehow considered to be not black and white about Assange, seems pretty obvious to most people in this thread. If you truly felt that way you wouldn't always be posting about wikileaks in the negative. Hence my post, a lot of the information might not be what the US wants the rest of the world to know but at this point the rest of the world doesn't give a rats ass what secrets you want to hide.
01-12-2011 08:40 AM
HoboMaster
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Originally Posted by BliND KiNK View Post
You obviously did not watch my second video. -.o
I just did right now, that was pretty Fing awesome.
01-12-2011 01:33 AM
BliND KiNK
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I mostly just feel that we as a country do not have the right to put our fingers in everyone else's pie for "our safety". They are not part of our country, and we should have really no internal diplomatic control. To initiate campaigns in other countries in order to get Puppet-A in office or pay Puppet-B off, so that we can get resources or cheap labor or some ultimately selfish goal, should not be something that we can just shrug off as justifiable.

The bully might steal all the wimpy kids lunch money, but over time, they get sick of it. So they band together and put the bully in his place. I can foresee this happening if we continue to act like we own the world and can do anything we want.

Also, I find it ridiculous that we find the need to go on these righteous rampages in order to "save" people. More often then not we just end up killing tons of civilians in attempts to get rid of "The Bad Guy".

Now this is all fine and dandy when everyone is well taken of at home base, but right now citizens of our own country are suffering, and yet we continue to spend money that could help them on blowing up people 10,000 miles away.

I'd be pretty happy spending whatever it takes to line our borders with anti-missile and aircraft systems, along with the military to respond in case of an attack, and then spend the rest on helping people out for once.
You obviously did not watch my second video. -.o
01-11-2011 09:54 PM
HoboMaster I mostly just feel that we as a country do not have the right to put our fingers in everyone else's pie for "our safety". They are not part of our country, and we should have really no internal diplomatic control. To initiate campaigns in other countries in order to get Puppet-A in office or pay Puppet-B off, so that we can get resources or cheap labor or some ultimately selfish goal, should not be something that we can just shrug off as justifiable.

The bully might steal all the wimpy kids lunch money, but over time, they get sick of it. So they band together and put the bully in his place. I can foresee this happening if we continue to act like we own the world and can do anything we want.

Also, I find it ridiculous that we find the need to go on these righteous rampages in order to "save" people. More often then not we just end up killing tons of civilians in attempts to get rid of "The Bad Guy".

Now this is all fine and dandy when everyone is well taken of at home base, but right now citizens of our own country are suffering, and yet we continue to spend money that could help them on blowing up people 10,000 miles away.

I'd be pretty happy spending whatever it takes to line our borders with anti-missile and aircraft systems, along with the military to respond in case of an attack, and then spend the rest on helping people out for once.
01-11-2011 03:47 PM
nzboardlife
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If I think Assange should be more careful in redactions and such thought gets likened to an all-out support of covert wars, hegemony, the republican agenda, rendition, and POW torture.... Well, what's good for the goose.
Step away from Assange hes just a dick head public figure, Its an entire team at wikileaks. They often do show care by leaving names out of particular documents. The idea of wikileaks does not lend its self to putting out just some of the documents, for it to make sense they must release it all or they are just as bad as the people they are portraying.

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What gives North Korea the right to starve their citizens for a few extra guns, sink South Korean ships, shell South Korean civilians, torture and execute the families of defectors completely unchallenged??
Repeat that replacing North Korea with America and South Korea with multiple other choices. I don't give a toot what North Korea do they have the right to do what they want with themselves. I have North Koreans to care about it for me and themselves, the question is why does America care for them when their own people are getting farked in the arse on the daily.

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What gives Al-Qaeda the right to beat women who go out alone in public and actively pursue WMDs with the expressed intent of using them completely unchallenged?
Why can't they beat their woman, its not illegal in their country and your taking extreme cases here. I'd be willing to wager that there isn't that much more violence against woman in the middle east then there is per capita in America or New Zealand. I've visited a few areas now in the middle east and id say you just get the blown out of proportion view from western media. They actively pursue WMDs because they are being attacked by an outlet that has their own WMDs. Remember they did not initiate this fight, America trying to control the middle east made this so called Al-Qaeda 'monster' blossom and grow.

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What makes you so sure that no givernment has any right to protect their own country by more than just whining to the toothless UN and that the ideal thing to do is just sit there and wait for the bad shit to happen?
If America wasn't so aggressive i'd believe they were protecting their own country, but this so called "protect america" saga has spawned from their own assaults. I agree the UN are total crap.

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What gives you the right to tell the U.S. that they can't gather intel on Al-Qaeda's attempt to get a nuclear weapon?
If the U.S. gets rid of their own, i don't have the right to.
01-11-2011 03:12 PM
MunkySpunk
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You don't have to go blow it out of proportion to get your point across but i don't think you get one of the lesser points of wikileaks, the idea is that you no longer have spies.
I tried explaining it several times across several threads, but there's no middle ground with some people on this forum - if you're not in 100% agreement, then everyone automatically thinks you're in 100% disagreement.

Don't tell me I'm blowing it out of proportion when everyone in the topic is throwing shit at the fan. If everyone else is dealing in black and white extremes here and not allowing room for shades of grey, I might as well join in. If I think Assange should be more careful in redactions and such thought gets likened to an all-out support of covert wars, hegemony, the republican agenda, rendition, and POW torture.... Well, what's good for the goose.

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What gives your country the right to spy on another? The hole you be digging keeps on a getting bigger.
What gives North Korea the right to starve their citizens for a few extra guns, sink South Korean ships, shell South Korean civilians, torture and execute the families of defectors completely unchallenged? What gives you the right to tell the defectors and deep cover Korean spies that they themselves have no right to put an end to the horror?

What gives Al-Qaeda the right to beat women who go out alone in public and actively pursue WMDs with the expressed intent of using them completely unchallenged?

What makes you so sure that no government has any right to protect their own country by more than just whining to the toothless UN and that the ideal thing to do is just sit there and wait for the bad shit to happen?

What gives you the right to tell the U.S. that they can't gather intel on Al-Qaeda's attempt to get a nuclear weapon?

And before I get told I'm calling for Assange's execution and the continuation of an indiscriminant covert war: There are good AND bads things going on covertly in this world. White-washing the whole wikileaks affair and calling it a godsend is just as dismissive of the people tortured by Mugabe as black-washing the whole wikileaks affair as evil and dismissing the people tortured in Abu Graib.
01-11-2011 02:56 PM
nzboardlife
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We need PUBLIC informants passing us information from North Korea.

Maybe if we dress the informants in bright orange uniforms, give them a facebook page as a member of the group 'Pacific rim spies in North Korea passing along tactical nuclear intel' and launch some fireworks before they gather intel for us then North Korea will see it Assange's way and give the informant top level clearance.

Hell, let's just give those Al-Qaeda informants we have ID cards with the name and address of the person to send the beheading video to once they're dead.

Am I getting black and white enough for you yet?



You don't have to go blow it out of proportion to get your point across but i don't think you get one of the lesser points of wikileaks that the idea is that you no longer have spies. I disagree with the base idea of your post, America doesn't deserve information about North Korea. What gives your country the right to spy on another? America needs to stop clawing at control of all and focus on its own people.
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