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05-09-2011 12:27 PM
Music Moves
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Not only this, but what is even worse is they will turn around and use this tax revenue for the general fund to pay for their pet projects and not maintain the roads.
And roads in areas with much more precipitation, as is the case in the PNW, need more attention...

But yeah, my contention is that misappropriations are one of the largest underlying factors of taxpayer reluctance. The misappropriation of levy funds that were "discovered" after Katrina is somewhat recent proof that it happens regularly on a large and recurring basis. When it comes to funds of this nature (those for which no one keeps a close watch due to the "lack of urgency of need" interpreted "UNTIL PEOPLE DIE") it is a bit easier to facilitate the misappropriations. As these types of offenses have been learned over and over again and gone unpunished/uncorrected (mostly), people just hate to have to pay more taxes. I'd openly support a functional social financial pool if there was any trust to be rendered, but to our misfortune, that's not the case... and I've been weary from it for a long time.
05-05-2011 11:14 PM
Snowfox
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Originally Posted by SPAZ View Post
This could be a ploy for the government to have GPS trackers in all of our cars. I do not like where this is going at all.
Don't worry dawg, they're already tracking your phone

I don't like this at all simply as there doesn't seem to be much of an alternative. Public transpo isn't nearly at what it should be (seriously, go to almost ANY other country) to consider it much of a viable alternative. Plus, even though I teased SPAZ about it, I don't want the government putting shit on my truck/car either. But I'm sure I won't have to worry about that in the future, as they'll just make car makers put it on to market in the US... *sigh*

I'm thinking that this gets shot down real quick by public opinion once it gets more notice. But if they can keep it on the DL until after elections... :/
05-05-2011 09:43 PM
Chef Jer Don't we already tax cars by the mile don't we already have a gas tax
05-05-2011 09:33 PM
slyder We all have a feel for each other and known each other on this forum, and I agree we should help those that can't, work or need assistance do to illness etc. My good friend will never work again and he is in his mid 50's. This is the boy I helped to gear up for snowboarding this year.

What makes me made is the people who abuse the programs, sell the food stamps (cards), can but choose not to take proper care in raising their kids and have kids to young. Who themselves then get into the system.

My wife and I, like many of us, go to work eveyday and work very hard, yes I'm fortunate and thankful for a good job. My point is I try to take care of my family and but we as a society can't keep paying for programms that don't work !!!

I think I am average middle class and I got into a debt and am getting my self out. But with rising fuel, FOOD, taxes, local, state, fed it is getting much and much more difficult to stay positive. I"m trying to save for retirement as NO government SS will be there for me and they want more each time. Every few years I loose tons of money in my 401 do to some crisis, black this, terrorist act, housing crash you name it

Really not sure where I"m going with this but I'm not out to screw or abandond man kind but I also need to meet and take care of my obligations as well and like all of us that is getting harder each year
and I agree with this Donutz:
Bottom line: minimalist government, not because I think it's wrong to help the less fortunate, but because I think the current system is creating a lot of the less fortunate.

Side note: SnowJeeper where you at in WI??
05-05-2011 09:12 PM
snowjeeper
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Originally Posted by slyder View Post
Why does someone that pays ZERO income tax get a refund....that is just income redistribution

Numbers aren't exact but can be found.

The top 10% pay 65% of all taxes
The top 50% pay 96% of all taxes

The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes

I'm in no way top 10% hahaha but I am middle class as I think most of us on here are, sorry but I can't afford more...

I do support a flat tax system
Slyder, the top 50% make 96% of the income. The top 10% make 65% of all income. That is why they pay most of the taxes. When you take a look at wealth, the top 10% has like 90% of all wealth in the country.

They can pay more.
05-05-2011 08:43 PM
SPAZ
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Originally Posted by Music Moves View Post
I'll start by typing that this is somewhat preposterous. Electronic devices in all cars? I mean, really?
This could be a ploy for the government to have GPS trackers in all of our cars. I do not like where this is going at all.
05-05-2011 07:42 PM
Donutz
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Originally Posted by slyder View Post
I do support a flat tax system
I understand the reasoning behind a graduated tax system. The fact is that the more you make (all other things being equal), the more discretionary income you have, the more options you have, the healthier your are, etc. And I do think that a just and moral society has a certain amount of responsibility to help out those at the bottom end (if you believe in an every-man-for-himself world where those people can go fuck themselves, then we really have nothing to talk about). The problem is that as soon as you give the politicians any room to screw with the taxes, you get favoritism, attempts to hide taxes, special incentives, etc etc etc until we end up with the abortion that is our current tax system (wherever you live). I would vote for a flat tax system simply because I think the simplification would A) force the government to be more responsible, direct, and transparent about money and B) quite likely result in an economic benefit, since people and businesses wouldn't be spending so much effort on tax planning, tax analysis, tax avoidance, yadda yadda. And as for helping the poor, again as soon as the politicians get involved, we get pork-barrelling, favoritism, and so on.

Bottom line: minimalist government, not because I think it's wrong to help the less fortunate, but because I think the current system is creating a lot of the less fortunate.
05-05-2011 07:19 PM
slyder Why does someone that pays ZERO income tax get a refund....that is just income redistribution

Numbers aren't exact but can be found.

The top 10% pay 65% of all taxes
The top 50% pay 96% of all taxes

The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes

I'm in no way top 10% hahaha but I am middle class as I think most of us on here are, sorry but I can't afford more...

I do support a flat tax system
05-05-2011 12:36 PM
Donutz Hoax.

All you have to do is put a tax on gasoline. No electronics required, no public acceptance issues (no more than with any other tax grab anyway), and it automatically penalizes those with gas hogs.

What's that you say? They already have such a thing? Wow, who'da thought...

This brings up a pet peeve of mine (and probably a lot of other people) where the gov't (at every level) is trying to think up new twists on collecting taxes. "Maybe if we call it a levy...". "OK, we'll put a tax on shopping bags...". "Add a tax at the checkout for recyclables...". Seriously, do they really think if they call it something different, we won't notice? This is all coming out of the same pocket in the end -- it doesn't matter how you dress it up, if my total tax bill goes up, my discretionary income is gonna go down.

The worst part is when they add a tax/levy/user fee/whatever for the same thing, two or three times. The rationale (well, one of them) for the gasoline tax is for road infrastructure -- the people who use the roads, should pay for the roads. But you notice that they never reduce the income tax by an equivalent amount so that people who don't use roads will stop paying for them. Then they'll add a tax for vehicle purchases, to help pay for road infrastructure. And oh look, neither the income tax nor the gasonline tax goes down. Qu'elle surprise.

I've simply stopped listening to the rationalizations for new taxes and tax hikes. You're hiking my taxes because you can't make it on what you're already taking. Period. If I dislike it enough, I'll vote you out. Period. If I think you're insulting my intelligence with an especially moronic excuse, I'll vote you out just on principle.

Damned politicians.
05-05-2011 12:11 PM
Music Moves I'll start by typing that this is somewhat preposterous. Electronic devices in all cars? I mean, really?
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