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03-31-2013 08:30 PM
OU812 Snowolf, yea I was going to mention that regarding the spine injuries while wearing helmets. I heard about this as well but like you said who knows which side is correct. I also see that some people have this mentality that if they wear a helmet they can go harder and are less likely to be injured. This is the same mentality that people had when SUV's first came out, thinking they were invincible during the first snow fall of the year. Guess which cars ended up first in the ditch.

I think lower back/tail bone protectors make a lot more sense for beginners and lower intermediates especially than a helmet but then again it depends what riding you do. Like you said in dense trees I'd wear head protection as well.
03-31-2013 08:13 PM
OU812
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Originally Posted by stickz View Post
If you get a ski race helmet I bet those are rated for speeds above 50...
Yea true, but this isn't for me. I won't be hauling ass down a run anytime soon but just meant in general how these light helmets perform at higher speeds or during more severe impacts. Still better to have a piece of padding between you and the ground/tree rather than just skull thats for sure
03-31-2013 08:08 PM
stickz
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Originally Posted by OU812 View Post
Have most of these helmets been thoroughly test to actually prevent injuries? The reason I ask is, there are a lot out there so which are good? I'm sure some are better than others. This is the same with car seats for kids. A lot to choose from and some do next to nothing to prevent injuries and are faulty.
I'm not saying child car seats are useless, nor am I saying the same for helmets but if you're barreling down a run at 50mph and wipe out and bang your head, how much will a helmet help you? I've been in the market to buy a good one and I'm surprised how light they feel with don't have a whole lot of padding.
If you get a ski race helmet I bet those are rated for speeds above 50...
03-31-2013 07:39 PM
pdxrealtor
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Originally Posted by hikeswithdogs View Post
Trees, rocks and other idiots slamming into your melon will kill you , I have music and phone integration which is convenient and it keeps me warm and safe.

After a few hours you won't even notice it
Exactly.

For me, even on days like yesterday when it's 55* spring slush, no tree riding, etc... I still wear one, because there's always that chance of a collision with another rider.

If you're going to wear one, wear it. It only takes once. That's my take.

I too have Bluetooth phone and music integration in my helmet.

Actually for the first time last weekend the helmet actually saved my head. I top head planted on a cat track enough to yard sale everything. IF that would have been my head I might not have gotten right back up.
03-31-2013 07:32 PM
OU812 Have most of these helmets been thoroughly test to actually prevent injuries? The reason I ask is, there are a lot out there so which are good? I'm sure some are better than others. This is the same with car seats for kids. A lot to choose from and some do next to nothing to prevent injuries and are faulty.
I'm not saying child car seats are useless, nor am I saying the same for helmets but if you're barreling down a run at 50mph and wipe out and bang your head, how much will a helmet help you? I've been in the market to buy a good one and I'm surprised how light they feel with don't have a whole lot of padding.
03-31-2013 12:54 AM
East§ide Not even touching this with a 20 foot pole lol.
I think we all agree you probably SHOULD wear a helmet, but in the end it's up to you. By SnoWolf saying that he is an adult that understands the inherent risk and makes his choice regardless, it's a perfectly valid argument. Not wearing one because you think you are immune to injury, on the other hand, is really just a foolish and dangerous way to think. I do think in some way or another every decision you make can indirectly effect someone else - ie. you become a brain mushed vegetable and your family is stuck taking care of you, dealing with the grief and the expenses. That's a worst case scenario though and it kind of a moot point. I never ride without one now , simply because for me, the risks outweigh the benefits and as I've gotten older I've realized for me personally I simply can't afford to risk that type of injury
03-30-2013 09:00 PM
ThunderChunky
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Originally Posted by Liliana View Post
I think you are really degrading the meaning of the word "Fascist" when you use it in this context. Most laws are exactly that: forcing an opinion or preference of one group of people onto the entire society. From your point of view we are already living in a Fascist state, after all, seat belts and motorcycle helmets, and a slew of other things of that nature are already mandatory by law. Mandatory auto insurance is also a Fascist concept then. Is that how you think about it, too?
Doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about and doesn't change anything. This is a Red Herring.
03-30-2013 08:32 PM
Liliana
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Actually, I think you have the wrong impression. There really is no such thing as an "anti helmet" person. I have never ever encountered a person who was actually against wearing a helmet or tried to dissuade others from wearing a helmet. Everyone agrees that helmets do offer some protection in some circumstances.

I have also never, ever encountered a person who might have wanted to wear a helmet but didn't because they were "spiting" someone. The bottom line here is that people object to having others push helmet use and not just mind their own business. It gets old having people preaching and pushing their opinions on others. It becomes Fascist when people try to force others to their will by making it the law. The people who do not want to wear a helmet don't want others to quit wearing theirs, they just want to be left alone and not have busy bodies in their face preaching.

This whole issue is really very simple. If you want to wear a helmet do so. If you see someone else riding without a helmet, keep your mouth shut and don't mind their business. It's not your place to butt into someone else's business. If people would mind their own business and stop trying to control what everyone else is doing, this country would get along a lot better.
I think you are really degrading the meaning of the word "Fascist" when you use it in this context. Most laws are exactly that: forcing an opinion or preference of one group of people onto the entire society. From your point of view we are already living in a Fascist state, after all, seat belts and motorcycle helmets, and a slew of other things of that nature are already mandatory by law. Mandatory auto insurance is also a Fascist concept then. Is that how you think about it, too?
03-29-2013 04:39 AM
horia.ancas
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Actually, I think you have the wrong impression. There really is no such thing as an "anti helmet" person. I have never ever encountered a person who was actually against wearing a helmet or tried to dissuade others from wearing a helmet. Everyone agrees that helmets do offer some protection in some circumstances.

I have also never, ever encountered a person who might have wanted to wear a helmet but didn't because they were "spiting" someone. The bottom line here is that people object to having others push helmet use and not just mind their own business. It gets old having people preaching and pushing their opinions on others. It becomes Fascist when people try to force others to their will by making it the law. The people who do not want to wear a helmet don't want others to quit wearing theirs, they just want to be left alone and not have busy bodies in their face preaching.

This whole issue is really very simple. If you want to wear a helmet do so. If you see someone else riding without a helmet, keep your mouth shut and don't mind their business. It's not your place to butt into someone else's business. If people would mind their own business and stop trying to control what everyone else is doing, this country would get along a lot better.
Wow, that's a really great post
Sums it up pretty good.
03-28-2013 03:00 PM
Gdog42
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Originally Posted by vknyvz View Post
how about smoking hookah and drinking beer while playing black ops 2?
Black Ops 2?

Bitch please.

That game is crap!
And no, that is still no where near as much fun as shredding pow! Sorry, but that's like trying to suggest eating a piece of cardboard over a bagel. It doesn't work!
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