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|01-03-2015 08:59 PM|
Originally Posted by Edvard_Grieg View Post
You're absolutely huge, man! At your weight even a 170 for you is a small board. I'm quite large for a snowboarder, so it's a blue moon when you see NFL size dudes shreddin' pow. You must be Samoan or something! :P
Thing is though, the Birdman and Skunk Ape are two totally different boards. The Birdman floats big time in the soft stuff, and rides shorter than it really is on the hardpack because the huge nose is lifted/turned up, effectively shortening the contact length. So, it's still a huge, heavy (compared to a comparable contact length 160ish board), very directional board that's purpose specific. The Skunk Ape on the other hand is the typical all around, go everywhere, do everything board that you can ride any which way you like. Adjust length as needed depending on your preferences!
Originally Posted by rambob View Post
It's just all around trend these days. Many are into shorter boards because they take less effort to turn and can be thrown around easily. The changing profile technology from the past few years has changed some of this, but there's definitely a trend there. Hell, it's all over this forum! Our former angry overlord was always telling people to size down and ride boards that some (people like me) would say are a fair bit small. The old schoolers will note that it's gone through various cycles like this before, big sticks to small, and back again. Plenty of older dudes much smaller than me will tell stories about the 180 twin sticks they used to ride back in the day... At the end of the day it all depends where you ride, how you ride, and what feels best to you.
Big boards are great for stability, and let you tear it up and do things small boards can't - vice versa similar can be said about small boards letting you do things big sticks will make a difficult chore. It's not just a macho thing - there's something cool and special about big sticks, that's for sure. The other weekend at Whistler I was on my Birdman and some Aussie guy noticed and said, "IS THAHT A ONE-AY-DEE? THAHT'S THE BEEGEST BOHRD AY'VE EVAH SEEN!"
|11-24-2014 05:41 AM|
|rambob||Way cool thread.... Seems like so many ride short boards these days for riding fresh. Everybody that likes this thread needs to go to utube and search Lib tech Birdman: watch the vid from Rainbow at Bachelor; nothing fancy, just a guy flowing and floating low angle pow; real nice shred, wtf.|
|11-24-2014 04:12 AM|
So how was the Birdman in the trees? How would you compare it to the Skunk Ape? I'm 6'3” and about 300#, size 14 boot (I'm a big dude and when I start hauling you'd best get out of the way ☺) currently riding a 170W Unity Dominion which does alright, but I was disappointed in it during some pow data last year where it just want moving as if expect. My mo is typically powder and trees when there's fresh, otherwise straight lining steep groomers.
My past board was a 169 NS Titan TX, so I'm used to stiff and aggressive, and at my size I know I can and do exert more force than others.
I think I may have a hookup on a good deal on a 180 Birdman, but weighing it against a skunk ape or a ns chairman.
|02-17-2014 11:26 PM|
Yesterday I had one of my best days on a snowboard in a long time.
It was all because of my Birdman.
Whistler has been getting a good dose of snow all week, for the first time this season. There was over a foot overnight. It was nice and cold (-12 °C in the alpine IIRC) and the snow was light. I tried my Birdman earlier this season during a substantially smaller dump and found the float impressive, but quite a chore to turn, especially in the trees. I would find myself getting nervous in the time and space leading up to any turns I knew I would have to make. I wasn't sure I could handle it and had maybe been a little too ambitious with my purchase. I felt like outside of a heli trip, I'd never get to see the conditions to really appreciate it for what it can do. I had the stance set fairly far back if my memory serves me correctly. Yesterday I set it a fair bit further forward. I think this made all the difference for me.
The way this thing performed was legendary. I powered those turns with the power back foot with confidence and ease. I destroyed anything in my path that I desired. Pow stashes off the beaten path were chewed through like a chainsaw without slowing down, trees, steeps, rollers, hits, drops, and small cliffs were aired and stuck. Crud and tracked out crap was slayed. After popping out of the trees at a medium click I launched a natural little crevasse leading back to the trail, maybe 6 ft deep 8-10 ft across with ease. It was just pure reaction and seat of the pants and I was astonished I actually pulled it off and didn't end up pulling myself out of a powder hole for 10 minutes.
The craziest thing about this board was the places it took me. I rode places pretty much nobody but the most skilled riders on the mountain were. Often I was all alone. We went for a trek out on the glacier on Blackcomb. I reached spots no one else could, some that I never even noticed or thought about before. I ducked down into a pillow line, crashing through drops several feet high, dodging boulders the size of cars. I couldn't believe I was actually pulling this stuff off. The stability on this big board allowed me to take hits and airs, and ride out chop that I never have before. I loved it. I got this feeling last weekend on a 2015 Skunk Ape HP 165, but in a different way. It made me a much better rider than I actually am, and it really felt that way.
Sadly 2014 is the last year for the 180 Birdman, with my 2013 being the last with a sintered base. After this it'll just be a 170. I assume Lib doesn't sell as many of the big boards, as more than one model has downsized it's biggest range. I highly reccomend it. For reference I'm 6'3", a little over 200 lbs, and rode this with 2014 Now Drive bindings (around 12 or 15° duck stance), and sz 13 2014 DC Travis Rice boots.
After feeling like a man alone on the moon out there on the glacier in a field of pow no one else could even touch, I started flapping my arms periodically throughout the rest of the day while riding. I was a man in flight...
|06-21-2012 10:55 PM|
Sweet! Birdman in Hakkoda! sounds like a dream! I went up there in Jan 2010 with a Neversummer Summit 161cm and a Travis Rice 157cm and it was a total blast. I especially like the run underneath the lift next to the hotel.
I'm planning to go to Hakkoda again this winter with the Atomic Sir Floatalot. Hope that's a good board to go up there with
|04-29-2012 02:09 AM|
Tried the board in 4 to 5 feet of POW at Whistler couldn't bury the nose ! Reasonably good on the groomers but really in its own in the bottomless POW !
|04-27-2012 11:01 PM|
THANKS for reviewing this board, Memphis Hawk!!
I'd actually seen The Birdman, in person, before reading your review, and someone else's, but I immediately knew that I had to have this board! But, the positive reviews did help me to take the leap. I picked up the 180, and it's easliy my favorite board!! I like my other Lib's, but there is just something uniquely fun about this board, that really sets it apart!!
|02-23-2012 01:03 PM|
I am 61 years....just bought the 180 birdman on sale at the local shop 340.00 dollars. what a deal ! Couldn't resist having this board in my arsenal. Looks a little scary..but I think i can adjust. My groomer board is the arbor A Frame with Burton 500 bindings and Driver X boots.... Board a lot in Alaska and was recently in 5 feet of POW at Juneau..my back leg took it hard as I tried to keep the nose up..all good fun though. Going to whistler Spring break and may spend a day CAT Boarding with an /Aussie buddy..can't wait to try it out
|01-08-2012 10:43 AM|
Okay, I had this thing out for a couple of days now in straight knee deep or higher pow and it flat out ripped. I think part of my earlier problem was the adjustment period to such a long and wide board, but as that wore off it really shined. Control input was met quickly with a response and I never found myself losing control of what I wanted to do at ANY speed. I hit 35 degree slopes and went straight down them with no feeling of looseness or jitteryness. I did get quite a bit of audible chatter from the front at high speed on a rough surface though, which to some degree is unsettling. I moved the bindings (now Burton Diodes) up a notch to take better advantage of the side it and I have to say that livened up the board more than anything. Just because it's designed to have a big nose doesn't mean you have to take it to the extremes. The finish of the board is holding up to a beating and I still get looks
And compliments. It think it's a board I could go on and on about, but essentially if you need a low board and don't want a fish, get this and be very happy.
|01-04-2012 06:03 AM|
|Memphis Hawk||It is for sure. I found a guide that speaks English so I'm gonna hook up with him here in the next week and get a day in working the powder stashes. Then I should be able to iron out a decent review on this thing. They got 50cm (1.6 feet) yesterday so even just off the beaten path there should be something|
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