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11-29-2012 03:16 AM
laxinchili I did thorough gore pro shell (so if you are looking at other materials, this wont really help!!) shopping for this winder, something fresh from this current season. I tried all the major brands available @ REI with my helmet, midlayer, etc before buying. Here are some thoughts from my time/experiences shopping around:

arc sidewinder: offset zipper too annoying when not fully zipped. sick jacket if you can get over that little fact, but I wanted something that could also be worn casually off the slopes. also noted that I didn't really like colors available - but the design of the jacket itself is sick - it does look great. The zipper is what killed it for me.

pata powslayer: now this one for me the best in S since it's huge. I really wanted to buy this one, but the hood could not fit ANY ONE helmet @ the seattle REI (buying coat + helmet this winter). It was pathetic, and me along with a couple of the staff couldn't believe that a $680 coat made for skiing, advertised as having a ski helmet compatible hood, had what seemed to be this blatant design flaw
Went to the pata store, had one of their employees help me fit it with a helmet they had - a smith vantage (I was still in disbelief this hood was too small for a helmet - that and I really liked the coat except this fact)... well sure enough, we could not get it to fit at the store, as much as the other employees joined in and tried helping...
I ended up e-mailing patagonia asking them what helmet they designed their so called helmet compatible hood with, and I got a reply saying the Giro nine.10... went back to REI, tried it, and sure enough, the hood is simply to big to fully go over the helmet... again we had a laugh with the staff after I told them about the e-mail...
I actually did email patagonia back, and I made them aware of this issue -they confirmed they were NOT aware of it - yet they wouldn't even acknowledge it!! they apologized for the inconvenience and told me to have a great day... sigh I really liked that coat, but if they wont even make an attempt to fix this... not putting my money there
I feel bad for anyone purchases this expensive coat in a S or M like I was trying, gets to the mountain, it starts snowing, and has to come to the nice realization that the hood doesn't fit.

I ended up settling for the North Face FreeThinker... The fit wasn't as nice on me as the pata (since I'm tall and pata's stuff seems to be cut bigger than normal- their S works for me but TNF S is way too short), BUT the hood fit perfectly with my smith maze, and it just feels all around great. It feels like it does not inhibit range of motion looking around with everything on, just feels like it was designed and cut very well (this is not to say the other's aren't - everything you find in this price range is - I just want to stress that I really do like the work/thought put into the freethinker) I am very happy with it and I think it looks sick!
I am glad I shopped around before settling as I am someone who gets terrible buyers' remorse post expensive purchases.
The Enzo is 50 bux cheaper, but I liked the look of the FreeThinker - since they come in different color combinations. The latter is also more bombproof (thicker shell - although every coat here has lifetime warranty)


anyways, I hope my first hand experiences help someone here!
11-29-2012 01:06 AM
cc898 You guys are all going on about stuff you could never in a million years tell apart. If its dry its dry! Nothing on the market actually breathes to a point that 99.9% of people would ever notice. If you like it and it fits well buy it, stay dry, ignore the "breathable" factor.

I happen to love Westcomb, its tough, fits me well and uses Event, which I like.

And if you want breathable gore....the only one is XCR! HAHAHAHHA
11-28-2012 12:18 PM
Peyto
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Originally Posted by seriouscat View Post
No reason not to. Goretex fabric layering itself is pretty universal if same material is used. They will only allow certain fabrics to combo with certain membranes. That jacket is a 3 layer so it has to meet the range of specification per Gore.
Thanks, that was the explanation I was looking for!
11-28-2012 01:30 AM
seriouscat
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Originally Posted by saloman View Post
Any canucks have experience snowboarding in Mountain Equipment Co-op (MEC) gore-tex shells?

I use a Synergy Jacket for hiking but have never taken it out on the slopes. Any good reason not to?
No reason not to. Goretex fabric layering itself is pretty universal if same material is used. They will only allow certain fabrics to combo with certain membranes. That jacket is a 3 layer so it has to meet the range of specification per Gore. A pure ski jacket could potential be using a harder more durable material per manufacturer specs, but I doubt it's going to a drastic difference. In general no one wants to use a proshell unless it's extreme wet weather/snow/ice since the proshell has worse breath-ability. Especially compared to some of the newer technologies out there.

As taken from Gore-tex forums:

Gore-Tex Pro Shell is a "3-Layer" product. The 3 layers are: 1-Outer "Shell" layer, generally a nylon of sorts. 2-Inner "Gore-Tex Pro Shell" waterproof/breathable membrane, and 3-Inner "liner" fabric, for Pro-Shell it's usually a product called Gore Micro Grid Backer or something similar meant to wick moisture away from your body and start the transfer process. All 3 of these layers are laminated into essentially 1 layer. So, even though it says it's a 3 layer, it feels like 1.

Gore-Tex Performance Shell is usually a "2-Layer" product. The 2 layers are: 1-Outer shell layer, and 2-Gore-Tex membrane laminated to the outer shell, Then there's a thin inner liner that not laminated to the outer/membrane layers.

Gore-Tex Paclite Shell is sometimes referred to as a 2.5 layer. It's got an outer shell layer that has a special Gore-Tex membrane laminated to it. The membrane in this case has been designed to be worn directly against your skin/clothes so an additional inner layer isn't needed.
11-16-2012 07:21 PM
Peyto Any canucks have experience snowboarding in Mountain Equipment Co-op (MEC) gore-tex shells?

I use a Synergy Jacket for hiking but have never taken it out on the slopes. Any good reason not to?
11-13-2012 08:41 PM
Lamps
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Originally Posted by miles1717 View Post
Thanks, Lamps. I tried on the Schwag color in store (which is the GoreTex Soft Shell) and it seemed like a solid, tough, durable jacket that will last a long time. They unfortunately didn't have any other colors in stock, but if there's no difference in breathability or waterproofing, I can't see it being a big deal. Both options are 3L serious-ass shells. I like that blue color that they make.
I just compared my wife's soft shell with my pro shell, it's a subtle difference, hardly matters.
11-13-2012 07:15 PM
hktrdr
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Originally Posted by Sassicaia View Post
The point of the debate was that someone said goretext doesnt even come close to some of the other new techs which is false.
No, it is true. The first link that I provided (as well as numerous other studies and reports) is pretty conclusive on this.

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There are plenty of other good brands such as the ones you mentioned which compete with goretext at the high end. No one is fare superior with at best splitting hairs differences between them i.e. goretex has better breathability then eVent .
It does not.
11-13-2012 04:43 PM
gstboy
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Originally Posted by miles1717 View Post
Aside from the some of the silliness in this thread, it's actually been really informative. Thanks everybody.

One question though. On Burton's site, they list the AK 3L Hover Jacket as using two different GoreTex fabrics depending on the color. The "Acid and True Black" colorways are listed as using GoreTex Pro, and the "Schwag and Bluebird" colorways are listed as using GoreTex Soft Shell. Now, none of these 3L Hover jackets have liners or anything, so is there really going to be a noticeable difference between, say, the Hover Jacket in black or the Hover Jacket in blue?

Here's the link to Burton's Hover jacket page.
My experience with Goretex hasn't been with Burton but with Arcteryx. None of the Burton stuff fits well on me and I can never find the color I want. I would go with other goretex equivalents if the styles were better. I can't find anything that fits and looks better than Arcteryx so I will pay their price to wear their stuff.

I don't really care about the brands, I have a relative that works for columbia and I can get stuff from her for a deep discount but I choose Arcteryx because I can't find anything from Columbia that I like and fits me as well. For all I know everything like omni-heat or dryq event could be all better than goretex but the style I like is only offered in goretex so that's why I go with it. It's not like we are all going to go cross-country skiing mount Everest anytime soon.
11-13-2012 04:19 PM
miles1717 Thanks, Lamps. I tried on the Schwag color in store (which is the GoreTex Soft Shell) and it seemed like a solid, tough, durable jacket that will last a long time. They unfortunately didn't have any other colors in stock, but if there's no difference in breathability or waterproofing, I can't see it being a big deal. Both options are 3L serious-ass shells. I like that blue color that they make.
11-13-2012 03:43 PM
Lamps
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Originally Posted by miles1717 View Post
Aside from the some of the silliness in this thread, it's actually been really informative. Thanks everybody.

One question though. On Burton's site, they list the AK 3L Hover Jacket as using two different GoreTex fabrics depending on the color. The "Acid and True Black" colorways are listed as using GoreTex Pro, and the "Schwag and Bluebird" colorways are listed as using GoreTex Soft Shell. Now, none of these 3L Hover jackets have liners or anything, so is there really going to be a noticeable difference between, say, the Hover Jacket in black or the Hover Jacket in blue?

Here's the link to Burton's Hover jacket page.
The fabrics are slightly different but same performance in terms of breathability. The backing on the pro shell is flat, almost same as the exterior, whereas the soft shell backing is a very very thin, fleecelike layer and the material is slightly more supple. It's worth having both in front of you to see the difference. Most years they do four colours, two in each material, same as this year.

I don't think that the soft shell is supposed to be warmer, just a little softer and more comfortable.

Personally I prefer the pro-shell, it feels tougher, and it's not like you wear it without a base layer. I could see the soft shell for pants if you weren't wearing a base layer. Oh, and I think that the women's ak 3L are always done in 3L soft shell but not certain.
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