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|11-08-2012 02:09 PM|
I just sold a guy a brand new never ridden 2002 Palmer Titanium Channel board that has been sitting in a closet for exactly ten years. I too just got one.
The guy I sold it to already has one & has been looking for another one for years. I'm just waiting on payment then I'll be shipping it out.
I guess I'll have to tell him I need a comparison of the two boards.
One has been ridden for ten years & the other has never been ridden.
I guarantee this guy will put it to the test, buddy is a hard booter.
I've been riding for 25 years & have never tried the hard boot thing yet.
& as gay as most people here might think that is, if you've ever seen someone doing it, they put a lot more stress on a board.
I have a feeling they will be exactly the same.
The new one I have(actually I have 2 brand new ones) are stiff as fuck, I don't think I've ever flexed a board this stiff, both seem to flex the same.
To the eye, they both have the same amount of camber.
I have an old K2 that is pre 4 hole pattern, so sporadic holes.
It has tonnes of camber.
|11-08-2012 10:04 AM|
Originally Posted by Donutz View Post
If you buy two identical boards today, board A is used for this season, and board B is put in a closet for 10 years and then brought out, I highly doubt any of us would be able to tell the difference (if we could magically fast forward to ten years from now)...
|11-08-2012 09:21 AM|
Originally Posted by Donutz View Post
|11-08-2012 09:01 AM|
Originally Posted by poutanen View Post
2) Unless you're a delicate rider, you'll apply shocks to your board over and above simple fatigue occasionally. Those add up too.
3) If boards were totally and completely waterproof and watertight, it wouldn't matter. But over time seams will loosen, microfractures will form, and moisture will get into the core. I've had to replace ceiling rafters that got wet, so I know what moisture does to wood.
4) Volatiles gradually evaporate, which will result in man-made materials gradually becoming brittle.
5) Two words: Ultra-Violet light.
Can't say how much effect all this will have, but pretty sure it'll have some effect.
|11-08-2012 03:01 AM|
Hmmmm... Pretty much every aspect of board manufacture has changed in the past ten years. Resins are more durable, core materials and profiling are better engineered. Topsheets are thinner, lighter, and more durable. Edges are stronger, hold a longer-lasting edge, and are now often profiled for better edge hold in carved turns. Sidewalls are now engineered for dampening and improved edge hold. Basalt, Kevlar, carbon fiber, and bamboo inserts help to get more/better edge hold, power transfer, turn initiation, and pop. Camber profiles like RC, C2, Camrock, etc really do maintain hardpack carving ability while drastically improving float. Wax-infusion and molecular engineering of sintered base materials yields faster, more durable base materials. Progressive side cuts yield better turn initiation and cleaner carves.
Snowboards are now lighter, just as durable, better performing, and many are much more able to handle a variety of riding styles and snow conditions.
|11-07-2012 04:49 PM|
Originally Posted by Nivek View Post
I'd be willing to bet that if I bought two identical boards today, and rode one this season, and put the second away in a closet for 10 years and brought it out for a season, that I wouldn't notice the difference.
Luckily I have no organic materials in my board so the fountain of youth it does not need...
|11-07-2012 04:27 PM|
|phony_stark||What kind of riding do you do? And how often do you go?|
|11-07-2012 03:52 PM|
I really think a demo would be a good way to see if it's worth it.
Regarding boards degrading over time I'm not sure that boards that aren't ridden decay but they lose their pop with use; wood cores change their flex after repeated flexing for example.
Ultralight boards are less durable than regular boards and may not be suited for some features, but more generally construction techniques are better so boards of equal durability weigh less now than then.
Try before you buy and if you feel the difference you can decide if it's worth the expense to upgrade. 2012 stuff where available is usually pretty deeply discounted right now.
|11-07-2012 03:40 PM|
|wrathfuldeity||Some things have changed for the worse...manufacturing, materials are not as durable...maybe design things like c3...idk...haven't ridden but why not just ride a cambered. I understand the c3 but why not unweight/suck up the knees...and an argument about catching edges is not valid if ur at the the skill level of doing cross-unders. I have a three old 2004/5 made in CA top-end Options that has been ridden hard, had some hits and still have their shit together; one in particular still hands me my ass if I'm not paying attention and there are very few new boards that demand that level of my attention and aggressiveness.|
|11-07-2012 03:24 PM|
Ok, so I guess what I didn't realize is that the core materials degrade over time? I mean I know that from sharpening, catching rocks on the wax, and aesthetic scratches on the top material are what degrade. I just thought that the core material was NEVER supposed to degrade, since there it is never exposed to the elements directly.
You guys are saying that the core degrades naturally (poorly built boards pre-200ish era), which was evident from the board in my shed. But also that the core degrades from flexing it so often? And when you say it becomes softer, do you mean more flexible or that it loses the ability to bounce back to its original state (like a spring that has been pulled too often and becomes limp)?
And also to touch on the lighter aspects of boards these days:
My board has always been on the heavier side compared to my friends' with newer ones. Is there a sacrifice of durability and increased degradation with a lighter board? I feel like my board wouldn't have lasted nearly this long had it not been so solid.
Thanks for all the responses, these have been extremely helpful and I like seeing the pros and cons to getting a new board. I would have to agree that in the long run a snowboard can be very cheap (I payed somewhere around $200-$300 in 2006 for a brand new 2005 board), since it has lasted me this long. But still as a lump sum this can be damaging to anyone's budget (assuming said person is planning on also spending money for lift tix).
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