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11-12-2012 05:06 PM
jdang307
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Originally Posted by fhendo190 View Post
That's all really helpful advice cheers. You have lessons? I'm pretty alright getting down the hill without falls and linking turns. However I'm pretty sure i throw my back leg, particularly for a toeside turn. This feels particularly obvious when on a steep slope/patch when trying to keep speed down.

Can I ask... When turning, and you say about initiating with the front foot, should I be using torsion on the board by say twisting the front foot heelside to turn heelside?
No, I never took lessons. I just learned it on my own, and reading this forum (search Snowolf's post, who always has good information to share, he's an instructor).

As for turning, yes. There are a few ways to turn. One is to apply pressure to the board with your toe or heel. That will engage the sidecut and turn. There are other ways to turn but I'll leave those technicals to the more experienced teachers here.
11-12-2012 03:00 PM
Decade190
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Originally Posted by jdang307 View Post
I learned on a stiff cambered Technine deck. Don't worry about it. Just ride it.

The SL was the first premium board I bought. I bought it after about 15 days total on the snow. It is not too much board and actually improved my confidence big time. It was softer than my Technine but smoother (damp) while riding.

Proper turn initiation and no whipping of the back leg will decrease the scorpions big time. I've been taken down hard on the RC profile. Not blaming the profile, it was me being sloppy and tired, on an Evo. Ever since I learned proper turn initiation the caught edges almost disappeared. If you initiate the turn properly, the downhill edge is in the air so it is less susceptible to getting caught in the snow.

Once you learn to link turns and are comfortable going down the mountain. Go to the beginners area, and take your back foot out of the binding (stomp pad helps) and just turn with only the front foot. You'll probably fall a few times, but it'll teach you to initiate turns with your lead foot.

Another thing I did to teach myself was to lean forward into my front foot, and into the turn slightly. That teaches you to not lean back on the hill (which is bad) and to focus on the front, not back foot.
That's all really helpful advice cheers. You have lessons? I'm pretty alright getting down the hill without falls and linking turns. However I'm pretty sure i throw my back leg, particularly for a toeside turn. This feels particularly obvious when on a steep slope/patch when trying to keep speed down.

Can I ask... When turning, and you say about initiating with the front foot, should I be using torsion on the board by say twisting the front foot heelside to turn heelside?
11-12-2012 02:48 PM
jdang307
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Originally Posted by fhendo190 View Post
So I'm in for a rough ride? Sounds like I should strap up the wrists for the first week or so then ha
I learned on a stiff cambered Technine deck. Don't worry about it. Just ride it.

The SL was the first premium board I bought. I bought it after about 15 days total on the snow. It is not too much board and actually improved my confidence big time. It was softer than my Technine but smoother (damp) while riding.

Proper turn initiation and no whipping of the back leg will decrease the scorpions big time. I've been taken down hard on the RC profile. Not blaming the profile, it was me being sloppy and tired, on an Evo. Ever since I learned proper turn initiation the caught edges almost disappeared. If you initiate the turn properly, the downhill edge is in the air so it is less susceptible to getting caught in the snow.

Once you learn to link turns and are comfortable going down the mountain. Go to the beginners area, and take your back foot out of the binding (stomp pad helps) and just turn with only the front foot. You'll probably fall a few times, but it'll teach you to initiate turns with your lead foot.

Another thing I did to teach myself was to lean forward into my front foot, and into the turn slightly. That teaches you to not lean back on the hill (which is bad) and to focus on the front, not back foot.
11-12-2012 10:31 AM
Lamps
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Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD View Post
Or you can not be a pussy and don't detune anything. Are you riding rails? No? Then don't detune any points of contact. You are gonna be carving up some sick mountains in France and want your edges to hold, not give way. I have NEVER detuned a board, but I also NEVER hit rails. I keep my edges at factory bevel and sharpen them a couple times each season to increase edge hold while carving. You will be happy when you are charging and your board doesn't fly out from under you when you hit an ice patch. That being said, detuning outside of the contact points for butters won't hurt, just make sure you are not within the contact points.

Learn to ride the board correctly WITHOUT detuning it and you will have better technique because of it. Then if you actually detune it, you will be a boss.

Also, riding hardpack and ice will detune the board slowly but naturally over time.
I agree 100 per cent with this, and it is my riding style too, never hit a rail, never detune.
11-12-2012 09:43 AM
JHeagz No matter what it can't be a more harsh ride than the regular camber, 161CM custom from 1993 that I learned on when I was 15 years old and only weighed 145 lbs. Oh, and the bunny slopes weren't open, so I leaned on all blues, haha! I'd be more focused on padding if I were you, b/c you're going to go down regardless of what you do to your edges on your first day or two. I couldn't get off the couch the next day.

Also, from a non-park guy's perspective, I've never detuned a board and get it sharpened 1x a season when I get my based grinded/repaired. Some people complain about edges being too grippy, but to that I say just don't turn as hard! Why would you ever want less edge hold??? <Again not a park guy>

If I were you, I'd throw some pads on and get out there! The quicker you get through the awkward learning phase, the quicker you'll be able to have some real fun. When you're at your lowest, keep going, b/c I've yet to find something in life as great as rewarding as snowboarding.
11-12-2012 09:29 AM
Engage_mike Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in as well and let you know that I am pretty new myself and purchased the identical setup last season...only lucky you caught the board on clearance...probably saved you a good chunk. ANYWAYS...Same set up...pretty new to the sport and my first season on the board proved fantastic as far as my progression...I was worried about the "To much board" situation but I believe it only made me better and I'm so excited to go out again this winter.. HAVE FUN! wear a helmet!
11-12-2012 09:23 AM
buggravy
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Originally Posted by fhendo190 View Post
So I'm in for a rough ride? Sounds like I should strap up the wrists for the first week or so then ha
Don't psych yourself out. I bought an 08/09 SL-R when I had <10 days of riding, and it's an easy/forgiving board to ride. You'll be fine. I think I actually posted a thread much like yours right after I bought it, and ultimately I didn't do any sort of detune. I've owned a bunch of boards since, some of which I've detuned the tip and tail, and some came that way from the factory. Ultimately I've never perceived much, if any difference from a detuned tip and tail, and as such don't generally bother to do any detuning any more. You made a good purchase. Just go have fun on it.
11-12-2012 06:03 AM
Decade190
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Originally Posted by snowklinger View Post
sharp rails but detuned contacts imo.

0/0 is fine and you can go 1/1 no biggie.

The way NS camber profile is coupled with the 0/0 bevel can actually be more punishing than "the cambered boards we learned on" because of the rocker between the feet. This causes an instability not present on classic camber. Hence a new rider can suddenly find themselves teetering on the rocker and going to a contact point - scorpion. This is a smaller swivel point as it is only from the middle to whichever edge is caught, meaning it requires a little more finesse and it happens faster - whammo!
So I'm in for a rough ride? Sounds like I should strap up the wrists for the first week or so then ha
11-12-2012 06:01 AM
Decade190
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Originally Posted by phony_stark View Post
Yeah, I misunderstood the OP's intent.

I thought it was, "What are the benefits of detuning/beveling the board."
To which everyone has weighed in on how coar/not coar/smart/silly it is to bevel and detune.

When it was really:
"I wanna ride it out of the box, will anything catastrophic happen to me as a n00b?"
To which the answer is, "Not really. Have fun."
Yeah that's pretty much what I was asking... Coupled with whether or not it was gunna be 'too much' board for me. Thanks!
11-12-2012 04:42 AM
phony_stark Yeah, I misunderstood the OP's intent.

I thought it was, "What are the benefits of detuning/beveling the board."
To which everyone has weighed in on how coar/not coar/smart/silly it is to bevel and detune.

When it was really:
"I wanna ride it out of the box, will anything catastrophic happen to me as a n00b?"
To which the answer is, "Not really. Have fun."
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