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11-14-2012 07:01 PM
Snowboarders rescued on Mount Rainier

Snowboarders rescued on Mount Rainier - The Weather Network

That must have sucked for the night....
11-13-2012 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by david_z View Post
Snowboarders Rescued After Spending Two Nights Trapped on Mount Rainier - ABC News

Looks like the rescue crews made it to them, both alive.
Derek Tyndall, 21, and Thomas Dale, 20, both from Indiana, were found alive, but their condition was not immediately known.

Just had to be from a flat land state didn't they?
11-13-2012 04:32 PM
killclimbz I don't know if Utah has one or not. They had Senate Bill 60 to create a program similar to Colorado's. I can only find mention of it from 2010 and nothing saying that it exists. Utah does use part of Hunting and Fishing license fees to go to a general fund for S&R reimbursement. So you could always purchase one of those. I don't know the coverage it offers, such as you are off the hook for S&R costs if your or my dumb ass needs them.

Keep in mind the S&R card in Colorado only covers you for the S&R portion of the costs. Flight for Life, ambulance, law enforcement agencies that get involved can also get you a bill.

Anyway, from what I can find, looks like it didn't pass. Not sure though. Your local outdoor retailer will probably know if a USAR card exists or not.
11-13-2012 04:24 PM
david_z Snowboarders Rescued After Spending Two Nights Trapped on Mount Rainier - ABC News

Looks like the rescue crews made it to them, both alive.
11-13-2012 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by jdmccright View Post
In terms of taxes these people cost about 1% , compared to the people on welfare that think they need smart phones and BMWs provided by the tax payer.

So how do I buy a card or signup for the Utah S&R program if there is one?
11-13-2012 03:46 PM
ComeBack_Kid I know that the year I moved away from Hawaii, they started billing people for helicopter rescues when the people went out of their way to get into trouble.

For example, if they were hiking and ignored "stay on trail" signs, walked off of the main trail, then got lost. Or if there were "no swimming" signs, and they went swimming anyways and got swept out to sea.

The real deciding factor in whether or not they are given a bill for the rescue is if they ignored warnings and posted signs or acted recklessly.

I think that's how it should be nationally, including in snow rescue situations.
11-13-2012 03:38 PM
SBK Looks like they have been found alive and well.

Rainier is notoroious for weather, it can come in fast and nasty. The Muir snowfield can be in full whiteout conditions while a few thousand feet below at the parking lot it can be calm.

Also coming down in a whiteout is tricky, there are glaciers with dropoffs on both side and you can't follow the fall line because it leads to one of them.

A snowboarder rode to his death a few years ago trying to ride down in marginal conditions.

As far as rescue fees it is always talked about because all these rescues make the news and most of the public doesn't realize that the bulk of the rescuers are volunteers. Also the bulk of outdoor rescue money spent is not on these dramatic climber/boarder/adventurer types, but more on day hikers or kids who wander off a trail.
11-13-2012 03:10 PM
MikeIn248 re: recovering rescue costs

I had some vague recollection that Vermont bills people for rescue, so I did a minute's searching and found some stuff that said they do have the authority to bill for rescues but maybe do or do not actually do it, depending.
11-13-2012 02:31 PM
killclimbz There is also the point that a lot of stuff people are doing is not considered risky until it becomes that. Going for a hike in the woods, twist, break and ankle, that sort of thing. These guys being on Paradise on Rainier is definitely not out of the ordinary.

Other people yeah, they do really stupid stuff. Going for long hard hikes without food, water, or proper gear, that sort of thing.

I know it's hard when you see so many that are just oblivious to the situation they are in until it hits the fan. I hate that person too. Deciding who is going to pay and not going to pay for their rescue is a slippery slope. One could argue, just by going out there, you are engaged in stupid reckless behavior and that you shouldn't be there. That doesn't really work for me either. Backcountry wilderness is there to be enjoyed in all seasons. Otherwise the only logical thing to do is stay locked up in your house.

All said and done, I like the SAR Card program and more areas should use that model. Tacking it on to Hunting and fishing license alone would be a huge boost for S&R costs. H&F is big business.
11-13-2012 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by seriouscat View Post
Not sure about BC, but in AB you can get charged with fees if you are not in a National/Prov park.
when i looked at hiring a guide last year in europe there was mandatory insurance purchase for rescue.
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