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03-01-2013 10:56 PM
Chef Jer
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Originally Posted by UNION INHOUSE View Post
Hey,

I can't tell you how they ride compared to Harshmellows, because I haven't ridden a k2 binding in years.

Our board designer here has the worst knees. He's getting knee replacements in a month or so. He's been riding the Factory and loves it, mostly because of the canting.

Stiffness: The highback is pretty damn stiff, but the base has some flex. It's somewhere between Charger base, and Atlas base. Those are pigment free, or 'raw' injection. This makes it a bit more stiff. It seems to be our most wanted binding right now with the group of people we flow stuff to. I think it's because the Factory is an upgraded version of the team bindings we've been making for the past 2 seasons.

Dampening: Yes. Again, I haven't ridden K2's, but I would guess they would have similar dampening.

I hope that helped. I'm in a rush right now, sorry for any type-ohs.
Are the Factory's the SL replacement? I didn't see (but might have missed) the SL's in the 14 catalog.

I will admit that after some initial challenges with the toe strap (just didn't work with my Salomons) that I really... really like my SL's. I haven't rode my Restricted Cartels but once this season and am thinking about selling them since I don't see myself riding them much.

Opposed to some on the forum... I'm actually really impressed with how durable the SL's have been. The only paint chips I have are where the forward lean adjuster meets the heel cup. Pretty impressive!!!!

If the toe cap is improved to work with more boots, I really wouldn't be able to think of a reason to not recommend Union's to people I ride with.
03-01-2013 04:30 PM
UNION INHOUSE
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Originally Posted by jdang307 View Post
I can definitely respect a response like that. No ripping or anything. Good shit.

What is the stiffness on the Factories? My knees have become an issue this year as well. Wondering how damp the base is (anything similar to K2 Harshmellow)

Hey,

I can't tell you how they ride compared to Harshmellows, because I haven't ridden a k2 binding in years.

Our board designer here has the worst knees. He's getting knee replacements in a month or so. He's been riding the Factory and loves it, mostly because of the canting.

Stiffness: The highback is pretty damn stiff, but the base has some flex. It's somewhere between Charger base, and Atlas base. Those are pigment free, or 'raw' injection. This makes it a bit more stiff. It seems to be our most wanted binding right now with the group of people we flow stuff to. I think it's because the Factory is an upgraded version of the team bindings we've been making for the past 2 seasons.

Dampening: Yes. Again, I haven't ridden K2's, but I would guess they would have similar dampening.

I hope that helped. I'm in a rush right now, sorry for any type-ohs.
03-01-2013 04:16 PM
Cyfer Damn! If I knew that posting a thread about Union would start some serious drama on this forum I wouldn't have. Just thought it would be cool to post up a pic of a new model from Union for 2014. BTW one of the most reliable bindings I've owned happens to be a pair of 2011 Union Force Team. They may not always be mounted on a board but I keep them because they are that reliable. My union Contacts have been used at Jersey (Mountain Creek) for almost as long as I've had them. aside from cosmetic damage they are still working fine.

The toe cap strap on the Contacts fit my 32 Lashed just fine, all I did was placed the straps in the rearward position. My only issue was initially how sticky the toe strap was but once you wear them in its gets better. Now I've got zero issues with my Contacts. One of these days I've got to call Union and see if they will sell me the same straps for the toe strap on my Force.
03-01-2013 03:58 PM
jdang307
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Originally Posted by UNION INHOUSE View Post
The reason I started coming here was to answer questions from our customers and help however, and whenever time would allow it. I'm not gonna be jumping into the debate of why people need to check their hardware every day, or defending the brand to somebody who has an axe to grind. Homie had a bad experience. That sucks and I'm sorry.

In regards to team riders:

1. Horgmo can ride anything he wants. He chooses to ride UNION for free (He paid FULL retail for 2 pair earlier this winter). Tune into burton.com today and watch him completely destroy the slope course on his "best bindings I've ever ridden" Force Teams. Maybe Torstein is crazy and doesn't know a good binding from a bad. Haha.

In fact, there are a lot of pros that don't get a dime from us and choose to ride UNION because they are extremely durable and perform how they like. Heard of Eric Jackson?

2. Travis Rice DID ride Cartels before Union. He rode Rossi before Cartels, and Drake before Rossi. We signed him in January of 2012, and he had almost a full year riding the ATLAS before he got on the team. Travis is super picky, and if something wasn't working for him, he wouldn't be riding it (paycheck or not). Same goes for durability - he's never broken anything.

Last summer we spent 10 days focusing on the Factory (and another project that you will someday see). We had a laundry list of potential issues with the line as a whole. "Don't change the toe straps" "If anything, just make them a little smaller". I've asked all our riders about our toe strap style, and they work for everybody. (keep in mind that they all ride 32, Nike, DC, Burton, Deeluxe, and Vans).

3. Joe Sexton spend 5 YEARS on the same pair of DLX. Probably 200 days a year on snow for 5 years. How many boards do you think he went through? How many pairs of boots do you think he had? He would still be riding those bindings if I wouldn't have forced him to update his kit. That's a $129 binding with 1000 days of serious abuse. The reason they lasted that long, is because he doesn't beat the crap out of his ratchets, and he checks his hardware every day.

I could go on, but I won't. Again, sorry Eastside. We've accepted that you don't like Union. Now maybe we can all move on, and not have to go through this every time somebody starts a thread.
I can definitely respect a response like that. No ripping or anything. Good shit.

What is the stiffness on the Factories? My knees have become an issue this year as well. Wondering how damp the base is (anything similar to K2 Harshmellow)
03-01-2013 03:18 PM
East§ide if it wasnt for interweb drama what would you do all day at work?
03-01-2013 02:02 PM
poutanen
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Originally Posted by Extremo View Post
Don't pretend you don't love it.
I do!!! lol
03-01-2013 01:18 PM
Extremo
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Originally Posted by poutanen View Post
Don't pretend you don't love it.
03-01-2013 01:04 PM
East§ide
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNION INHOUSE View Post
The reason I started coming here was to answer questions from our customers and help however, and whenever time would allow it. I'm not gonna be jumping into the debate of why people need to check their hardware every day, or defending the brand to somebody who has an axe to grind. Homie had a bad experience. That sucks and I'm sorry.

In regards to team riders:

1. Horgmo can ride anything he wants. He chooses to ride UNION for free (He paid FULL retail for 2 pair earlier this winter). Tune into burton.com today and watch him completely destroy the slope course on his "best bindings I've ever ridden" Force Teams. Maybe Torstein is crazy and doesn't know a good binding from a bad. Haha.

In fact, there are a lot of pros that don't get a dime from us and choose to ride UNION because they are extremely durable and perform how they like. Heard of Eric Jackson?

2. Travis Rice DID ride Cartels before Union. He rode Rossi before Cartels, and Drake before Rossi. We signed him in January of 2012, and he had almost a full year riding the ATLAS before he got on the team. Travis is super picky, and if something wasn't working for him, he wouldn't be riding it (paycheck or not). Same goes for durability - he's never broken anything.

Last summer we spent 10 days focusing on the Factory (and another project that you will someday see). We had a laundry list of potential issues with the line as a whole. "Don't change the toe straps" "If anything, just make them a little smaller". I've asked all our riders about our toe strap style, and they work for everybody. (keep in mind that they all ride 32, Nike, DC, Burton, Deeluxe, and Vans).

3. Joe Sexton spend 5 YEARS on the same pair of DLX. Probably 200 days a year on snow for 5 years. How many boards do you think he went through? How many pairs of boots do you think he had? He would still be riding those bindings if I wouldn't have forced him to update his kit. That's a $129 binding with 1000 days of serious abuse. The reason they lasted that long, is because he doesn't beat the crap out of his ratchets, and he checks his hardware every day.

I could go on, but I won't. Again, sorry Eastside. We've accepted that you don't like Union. Now maybe we can all move on, and not have to go through this every time somebody starts a thread.
I appreciate your comments. My only comment is that I can appreciate that Joe Sexton but 1000 days on his DLX's... but I can also tell you that I'm not a liar, I'm not looking for handouts, I spend my own money that I work for, and that was the quality of my bindings after 1/100th of the time Joe spent on his. I hardly ever jib, I rest my board on my foot on the lift, and the deck that I ride was new the same day as the Unions..it is nearly mint and because I love it so much, it has been well taken care of off the slopes.
I appreciate that you joined this forum, and that you are here to help customers. Burton and a few other companies have done so as well. I won't be posting anymore about my bad experience in every Union thread, but I truly hope that other people who purchase these bindings have a better experience than I did. and FWIW, i did try every adjustment, every different style of toe strap that Union supplied my local shops,etc, and it just didnt help..and that was with Burton Ozone boots, Salomon Faction boots, and Vans Revere boots.
03-01-2013 12:51 PM
poutanen
03-01-2013 12:50 PM
UNION INHOUSE
Tgif

The reason I started coming here was to answer questions from our customers and help however, and whenever time would allow it. I'm not gonna be jumping into the debate of why people need to check their hardware every day, or defending the brand to somebody who has an axe to grind. Homie had a bad experience. That sucks and I'm sorry.

In regards to team riders:

1. Horgmo can ride anything he wants. He chooses to ride UNION for free (He paid FULL retail for 2 pair earlier this winter). Tune into burton.com today and watch him completely destroy the slope course on his "best bindings I've ever ridden" Force Teams. Maybe Torstein is crazy and doesn't know a good binding from a bad. Haha.

In fact, there are a lot of pros that don't get a dime from us and choose to ride UNION because they are extremely durable and perform how they like. Heard of Eric Jackson?

2. Travis Rice DID ride Cartels before Union. He rode Rossi before Cartels, and Drake before Rossi. We signed him in January of 2012, and he had almost a full year riding the ATLAS before he got on the team. Travis is super picky, and if something wasn't working for him, he wouldn't be riding it (paycheck or not). Same goes for durability - he's never broken anything.

Last summer we spent 10 days focusing on the Factory (and another project that you will someday see). We had a laundry list of potential issues with the line as a whole. "Don't change the toe straps" "If anything, just make them a little smaller". I've asked all our riders about our toe strap style, and they work for everybody. (keep in mind that they all ride 32, Nike, DC, Burton, Deeluxe, and Vans).

3. Joe Sexton spend 5 YEARS on the same pair of DLX. Probably 200 days a year on snow for 5 years. How many boards do you think he went through? How many pairs of boots do you think he had? He would still be riding those bindings if I wouldn't have forced him to update his kit. That's a $129 binding with 1000 days of serious abuse. The reason they lasted that long, is because he doesn't beat the crap out of his ratchets, and he checks his hardware every day.

I could go on, but I won't. Again, sorry Eastside. We've accepted that you don't like Union. Now maybe we can all move on, and not have to go through this every time somebody starts a thread.
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