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10-02-2013 11:57 AM
SnowOwl
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Originally Posted by jml22 View Post
You live in bear? DO you work at big bear?
Negative. I ride at bear but I live in North OC; Fulerton
10-02-2013 11:54 AM
jml22 You live in bear? DO you work at big bear?
10-02-2013 11:47 AM
SnowOwl
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Originally Posted by jml22 View Post
Hard to say, i don't even know your age... nothing could be wrong with your back but if it's still swollen and causing you this much pain, something is wrong somewhere.
It's good to work on hip flexibility in general and maintain coordination of all the parts of your body but sometimes we just gotta know right?
A lot of boarders i see, i would say on average for being able to jib as good as they can, their balance is absolutely atrocious. Being strapped in overcomes our natural imbalances, but when we're not strapped in like most of our lives, these imbalances start becoming more and more apparent the worse and worse they get.

With the low back it's never just one thing, you gotta look at everything from head to toe. Just pieces to a puzzle.
I came up with this, so lemme know if I this is credible or not:
Pars Stress Fracture

The only thing that seems to conflict is the standing/straightening aggravations. It actually aggravates me more sitting down or bending over, which is one reason I think it's hip muscles. Ruh-tarded. Either way, what's necessary for me to heal and rehab seems to be borderline same. I'll start to lay off heavy lifting, which blows because I was actually gaining progress towards my goals for once. I'll also start working on hip stability more. It's been too long since I've worked on my plyometrics and such, so I feel ya
10-02-2013 11:35 AM
jml22 Hard to say, i don't even know your age... nothing could be wrong with your back but if it's still swollen and causing you this much pain, something is wrong somewhere.
It's good to work on hip flexibility in general and maintain coordination of all the parts of your body but sometimes we just gotta know right?
A lot of boarders i see, i would say on average for being able to jib as good as they can, their balance is absolutely atrocious. Being strapped in overcomes our natural imbalances, but when we're not strapped in like most of our lives, these imbalances start becoming more and more apparent the worse and worse they get.

With the low back it's never just one thing, you gotta look at everything from head to toe. Just pieces to a puzzle.
10-02-2013 11:13 AM
SnowOwl
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Originally Posted by jml22 View Post
Muscles are the main contractile element, tendons are there to anchor the insertion into the bone and not split apart. When want to reduce tension on the tendon you want to reduce the muscle belly spazm aka lengthen the muscles.
Practitioners have been getting it wrong for years by working out the IT band... Yes it's sore but rolling out an IT band actually does nothing, you're more than likely hitting myofascial junctions of your quads.
To effectively and efficiently address IT band problems you absolutely must look at glutes and TFL before you ever look at the IT band.
IT band is the area of pain but the cause of that pain is in the muscles.

Go get imaging on your low back. You don't have to take a prescription like most MD's will prescribe but there's no point in beginning rehab unless you know what the problem is. So if you have a frigging pars fracture, it changes the ball game completely.

Also bird dog, glute bridges, cat camel, side bridges, dead bug in their primary stages are full back rehab exercises. They get people better for a reason, but you need someone to progress you through them. TIred of people starting at the hardest variations and saying it hurt. Well no shit, because 99% of the population can't do the hardest variations
Well let's say I do have a pars fracture. How would this change things? Cuz I mean at this point it's either that, or what I think. Or possibly a combo of them all. SO let's just say I do, now what?
10-02-2013 12:29 AM
jml22 Muscles are the main contractile element, tendons are there to anchor the insertion into the bone and not split apart. When want to reduce tension on the tendon you want to reduce the muscle belly spazm aka lengthen the muscles.
Practitioners have been getting it wrong for years by working out the IT band... Yes it's sore but rolling out an IT band actually does nothing, you're more than likely hitting myofascial junctions of your quads.
To effectively and efficiently address IT band problems you absolutely must look at glutes and TFL before you ever look at the IT band.
IT band is the area of pain but the cause of that pain is in the muscles.

Go get imaging on your low back. You don't have to take a prescription like most MD's will prescribe but there's no point in beginning rehab unless you know what the problem is. So if you have a frigging pars fracture, it changes the ball game completely.

Also bird dog, glute bridges, cat camel, side bridges, dead bug in their primary stages are full back rehab exercises. They get people better for a reason, but you need someone to progress you through them. TIred of people starting at the hardest variations and saying it hurt. Well no shit, because 99% of the population can't do the hardest variations
10-01-2013 10:01 PM
SnowOwl
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Originally Posted by EatRideSleep View Post
I agree with jml22; you should get some diagnostic images. It's been far too long for you to have this sort of pain. See what's going on in there. Getting images is not the same as "going to the doctor" to just be handed a script.

Tendon stretch alone is approx <10% (at least in horses). The ability for a tendon to be supple is dependent upon its muscle's suppleness, which is why I assume jml22 is saying to target your glutes and tensor fascia latae (muscles) rather than the IT band.
Well in all fairness, I think I just figured out the core issue which would be reason enough for why I have had the issue for so long lol

And don't get me wrong. I definite don't down play the significance towards working the surrounding muscle tissue. Haha obviously if i'm going to be putting in the effort, I'll be working everything else in the process so no worries on that. I think I was actually trying to refer to hitting pressure points/nerve fibers that activate the given muscle. So there's that..lol
10-01-2013 09:11 PM
EatRideSleep
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Originally Posted by SnowOwl View Post
No personal offense, but if you couldn't tell I'm not looking to go to the doctors. Call it a personal dogmatic perspective.

And just out of curiosity, from what experience gives you this perspective? Because I'm not sure if I 100% agree on certain things you've mentioned, as i've had conflicting perspectives. For example specifically targeting pressure onto tendons has made tremendous results on releasing muscle tightness in various areas of my body
I agree with jml22; you should get some diagnostic images. It's been far too long for you to have this sort of pain. See what's going on in there. Getting images is not the same as "going to the doctor" to just be handed a script.

Tendon stretch alone is approx <10% (at least in horses). The ability for a tendon to be supple is dependent upon its muscle's suppleness, which is why I assume jml22 is saying to target your glutes and tensor fascia latae (muscles) rather than the IT band.
10-01-2013 05:40 PM
SnowOwl
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Originally Posted by sheepstealer View Post
Try yoga. I have upper back pain from sitting at a desk all day. I go to yoga a couple times a month and ask the instructor privately before class if he/she can incorporate back stretches into the routine. Works like magic.

Plus yoga is a great snowboard workout.
I've been seriously considering it. Mind if I can request you ask your instructor if they can recommend stretches for muscles surrounding the hips and such?

And I just want to clarify I'm not trying to resist ideas that I don't agree with egotistically. I'm just trying have a full comprehension of how to approach it from any/all perspectives
10-01-2013 02:57 PM
SnowOwl
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Originally Posted by jml22 View Post
As for rolling IT Band, waste of time, you need to role out your glutes and TFL. Rolling out tendons takes months-years to affect the length where muscle bellies take days-weeks to see changes.
Although hip "tightness" can influence backpain immensely due to improper loading, you had a severe impact to your low back... you need to get checked out. At least a front to back, side and oblique low back x ray when you're standing.
No personal offense, but if you couldn't tell I'm not looking to go to the doctors. Call it a personal dogmatic perspective.

And just out of curiosity, from what experience gives you this perspective? Because I'm not sure if I 100% agree on certain things you've mentioned, as i've had conflicting perspectives. For example specifically targeting pressure onto tendons has made tremendous results on releasing muscle tightness in various areas of my body
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