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01-20-2014 09:23 AM
Soul06 Just read through this whole thread. Its a bit sad. From what I see this is what I think is really happening...
The OP, coming from a skateboard background where he was sponsored and better than the average rider, really feels some type of way about not being able to take to snowboarding as easily as he did skateboarding. Hence his opposition to the suggestions of taking lessons. People have given some really great advice about centering yourself (body weight) but it appears to have fallen on deaf ears. He doesn't want to accept that his skills are possibly the issue and would instead choose to place blame on the board.

I have sort of been in the same boat. First time I went riding I only watch a couple of youtube videos and used a rental (its was like a 149 they gave me). I road fine all day. No problem turning, stopping, getting up, etc etc. Next year bought my own board; Burton Flying V 157. Fell A LOT. Had a hard time controling my turns. Couldn't get up to any speed without getting squirrely. Started thinking it was the boards fault for being a hybrid. But I humbled myself. Thought to myself, "This board was made this way intentionally. I'm not the only one out here with hybrid. So clearly it CAN be ridden....just not by me right now." So I needed to find out what I was doing wrong. Luckily I found this forum. Read lots of threads and comments from people who could ride a lot better, harder, faster and steeper than me. Help me TREMENDOUSLY. Perhaps thats what the OP needs to do. Humble himself, let go of the defensiveness and heed the advice of those who CAN ride the same type of board that he is having trouble with.
01-20-2014 07:12 AM
ItchEtrigR
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Originally Posted by DarkDrive00 View Post
Let me get this straight, so if my binding is set farther back my body would not naturally lean farther back due to my wider stance leaving me UN-centered or do the laws of physics not effect you as well.
Look you got a pretty sweet entry level board to refine your skills. If it's going to take a brand spanking new board to get you stoked again & on the hill then go for it. But until you put in the time & practice don't expect dramatic results. What most people that know there shit are trying to point out is a lesson or two will help you maximize that time & practice, Thus equaling faster progression.
01-20-2014 05:13 AM
Deacon
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Originally Posted by KansasNoob View Post
Who/where did you go to?
I just booked an hour private with a guy at Afton. I don't really know anybody who rides anywhere near as much as I do around here, so I just told them what was up and they gave me a guy that was pretty experienced. He rode with me a bit, had me do a couple things to see what was I was doing. Told me what I was doing, I fixed it (and learned how to tell if I slipped into it again). Saved me a ton of time on wasted progression.
01-19-2014 11:13 PM
ig88
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Originally Posted by Bones View Post
I went from a stiff camber to rockered board and while the feel was different, it wasn't even close to what you describe. Once you stand up, all boards flatten out and the effective edge is in contact with the snow. It's what they do when you unweight or "overweight" them that makes them different.

But not being able to stand up because you couldn't get on edge? Ummm...that's not the board

Sounds like your weight isn't close to the center.
I agree with that too.
01-19-2014 10:54 PM
KansasNoob
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Originally Posted by The Deacon View Post
Yep. That's the one. Perfect for anybody who says it's their board's fault they're having challenges.

I sought out some coaching last year too. If you recognize a limitation in your progression, the fastest way past it is to get help. If your days are valuable, then get the most value out of them.
Who/where did you go to?
01-19-2014 10:13 PM
Deacon
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Originally Posted by KansasNoob View Post
Is this the one?
Got Wood? Pinewood Derby Snowboard: Every Third Thursday - YouTube



OP don't sweat it. I'm considering getting coaching even because I want my technique to be better. I want to make the most of my time on the snow.
Yep. That's the one. Perfect for anybody who says it's their board's fault they're having challenges.

I sought out some coaching last year too. If you recognize a limitation in your progression, the fastest way past it is to get help. If your days are valuable, then get the most value out of them.
01-19-2014 09:33 PM
speedjason if you are constantly spinning out and you say you put too much weight on your back foot that's the problem. you should not put more weight on your back foot. you are doing what people call noob error sitting in the back seat and when you try to turn, what happens is you kick the back of your board out and you start spinning. always initiate turn with your front foot not back. weight more on your front foot.
rent a camber if you think its your board but mostly not.
01-19-2014 09:26 PM
chomps1211
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Originally Posted by neni View Post
As for consulting evo or other online shops fore information on gear... take their information with a pinch of salt...

.... It's always best to check on the manufacterers sites, them shops are full of mistakes.
It honestly never ocurred to me that the specs listed on the site would be wrong, but I was just using the link the OP provided and was using to keep telling everyone it was a rockered board. When the link he provided clearly said it was a flat profile. Regardless good point about going straight to manf. site for specs.

Evo listed it as a twin board with directional flex. If that's actually the shape of this board? It shouldn't have a setback stance should it? I know some riders will add setback to a twin to ride POW. But you wouldn't want to do that on a twin for everyday riding would you?

EDIT ADDED:
....Damn, misread my own copy n paste. It is listed as a directional twin. So as mentioned it will always have the bindinngs off center. If you actually center them on a directional board? That would fuck up the ride characteristics.
01-19-2014 08:40 PM
a4h Saint
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Originally Posted by DarkDrive00 View Post
Let me get this straight, so if my binding is set farther back my body would not naturally lean farther back due to my wider stance leaving me UN-centered or do the laws of physics not effect you as well.
They mean centered as in your center mass (hips) being centered between your feet. Binding location has nothing to do with whether or not your core is between your feet. You are referring to whether or not you are centered on your board, they mean whether or not your weight is centered on you. Your board has a set back stance, so no matter where you put your bindings you will never be centered on your board.

Their advice is make sure your center mass is not over your back foot, because if it is then that is pulling your nose off the ground (i.e. a constant butter) if your nose/ front foot is not getting good contact with the snow, then any board is going to be unstable and terrible when turning, your front foot is your steering wheel.

Try and understand what they are saying, whether it is the situation or not. You misunderstanding and firing back aggressively is why their comments got harsh. Chill, diagnose the problem, thank everyone for advice, and enjoy snowboarding
01-19-2014 06:33 PM
neni
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Originally Posted by chomps1211 View Post
DIRECTLY FROM EVO's SITE
As for consulting evo or other online shops fore information on gear... take their information with a pinch of salt. Just as an example: the Flagship was rated as intermediate board some weeks ago (they corrected this by now), blue-tomato shows a profile of a hybrid rocker for it (instead of a hybrid camber which would be correct), and the size charts on blue-tomato gives EUR sizes of US men's sizes for women's boots. It's always best to check on the manufacterers sites, them shops are full of mistakes.

OP, it can well be that having the wrong stance set up affects your balance, especially in the beginning. I need some runs on a new board till I find the right position and have a screwdriver in my pocket the first day. I always begin to set up centered stances i.e. symmetrical from the middle inserts. If the baseplate don't allow to take the middle ones or the stance is too narrow/wide, go one further outwards or inwards mirrored with both bindings, depending on your stance width. My stance width usually doesn't fit the inserts symmetrically thus I have the hind one one insert further back.

Considering the lessons... I never had one which I sometimes regret. Decided to learn to ride switch recently and made a complete idiot of myself, not being able to link two turns (which was a bit embarrassing; I'm riding many moons and expected it to be easier). It took a friend - who was an instructor - only some minutes to point out the major faults and give me some hints how to work on them, and see, I was mastering the hill backwards (still very clumsy but no longer on my butt ) Point is: I would have figured it out somehow somewhen as well, but progress is so much easier if someone who has learned to teach (learned to use the right words and to analyze movements) can give hints.


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Damn.. I really need to learn how to post a comment without writing a freaking book!
I'm so guilty of that as well
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