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01-26-2014 12:03 PM
cbrown89 So I tried the new setup (closer stance, F+21 B +9, Heel angle pushed in) and while it made a difference my leg was still sore.

I think as it was still a bit tender this caused the issue as the setup definitely helped.

I will take a few weekends off boarding until the leg is healed and try again.

Thanks for everybodies help so far.
01-24-2014 08:12 PM
cbrown89 Sunshine this weekend hopefully get it resolved.
01-24-2014 07:13 PM
t21 I've been riding for four seasons now and i had knees issues while in the military. I had my binding angles changes multiple time to relieve pain on my knees especially my back leg. Last season i bought the NX2-AT with a 2.5 canted footbed and i helped my knees a bit. This year though, i changed the width of my bindings from 21 to 22.3/4 and my angles from 12/-12 to 12/-9, my knees felt much better. They still get sore at the end of the day but not like it used to be. As others have mentioned,you have to play with your set-up with canted footbed could really help your knee pain.
01-24-2014 03:12 PM
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I've been giving the whole cant question some thought. Mainly because I was wondering from my biased point of view why anyone would want to lift their outside edges. If I'm wrong, I would love someone to correct me as I'm just trying to figure this stuff out in order to know why one binding setup is more comfotable than another.

If someone has overpronated feet and their natural splay is 30deg in order to have the feet at a 0deg splay (straight ahead) you have to shim the inside edge (ball) to bring everything into alignment. Conversely, if you have a normal pronation and a natural splay of 0deg in order to have the feet at a 30deg splay (pretty widely splayed duck stance) . You would have to shim te outside edge to bring everything into alignment. This would also seem to indicate that if you have bindings that are canted from the outside, it will necessitate a splay that is wider than your natural splay. So if you have a natural splay of like 10deg you would have to set your bindings to something like 20deg if you have canted bindings, depending on the cant.

I would love to hear from someone that actually knows about this stuff though.
Ya canting is all about relieving pressure on your knees, not proination. With the outisde of the binding lifted it tucks your knees back in towards each other relieving stress. Regardless of pronation sit down and spread your stance wide and angle your feet out but leave them sitting flat on the ground. Fell the stress on your knees, then lift the outside of each foot and you'll fell your knees come together and a relief of pressure.

I over pronate and use to get terrible shin splints when I ran but boy do I love cants.
01-24-2014 02:56 PM
nillo Ok, I see where you are coming from. And wrt the OP you are probably spot on. But wrt to me, there are about 4 decades of doctors that would say I shouldn't threadjack this anymore.
01-23-2014 06:31 PM
jml22 Medial collapse of the knee when walking and moving is nothing to do with what you're born with.
Yes it can make it worse and can make it naturally happen but you can train out of it very easily.
Countless top varsity women's volleyball players, havenaturally anteverted hips which cause valgus knees and have trained out of letting their knees knock together when they land.
01-23-2014 05:37 PM
nillo some of us were born that way and no amount of training is going to fix it. Not everyone has normal bone and ligament structure.
01-23-2014 04:09 PM
jml22 Foot pronation and orthotics is the most archaic way of addressing this medial knee pain problem, Especially in snowboarding.
MCL, ACL, Medial meniscus, are almost 100% from lack of hip control.
Your MCL and Medial meniscus will not be stressed as much if your hip is strong enough and coordinated enough with the rest of your body.
Too many times do i see knees buckle inwards and people want ot know why their kneees hurt
It has nothing to do with your gear, no orthotic is going to fix that. If your knees buckle the first time you land, squat, carve, WALK/run, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO until you train.
01-23-2014 04:04 PM
nillo I've been giving the whole cant question some thought. Mainly because I was wondering from my biased point of view why anyone would want to lift their outside edges. If I'm wrong, I would love someone to correct me as I'm just trying to figure this stuff out in order to know why one binding setup is more comfotable than another.

If someone has overpronated feet and their natural splay is 30deg in order to have the feet at a 0deg splay (straight ahead) you have to shim the inside edge (ball) to bring everything into alignment. Conversely, if you have a normal pronation and a natural splay of 0deg in order to have the feet at a 30deg splay (pretty widely splayed duck stance) . You would have to shim te outside edge to bring everything into alignment. This would also seem to indicate that if you have bindings that are canted from the outside, it will necessitate a splay that is wider than your natural splay. So if you have a natural splay of like 10deg you would have to set your bindings to something like 20deg if you have canted bindings, depending on the cant.

I would love to hear from someone that actually knows about this stuff though.
01-23-2014 03:02 PM
nillo It sounds like your feet might be a little overpronated. Mine are pretty severely overpronated and I am just figuring out how to deal with it, but the pain symptoms sounded familiar.

You can have someone look at your Achilles tendon from behind while standing with your feet at shoulder width. If your ankles lean inward and the tendon sort of flares to the outside you are overpronated. Another test is to stand with your feet shoulder width apart and pointing straight ahead. Bend at the knees and see if your knees come together. Depending on the cause, there are different solutions that you would want to discuss with a podiatrist. I'm not a doctor.

What is interesting is that a custom orthotic to correct that will raise the inside edge of the foot. That is exactly the opposite of what the canted snowboard bindings do. They raise the outside edge. I'm looking into footbed shims to help fix my problem while saving up dough for custom orthotics. I'm not spending that much money during a super shitty snow season.

Definitely get a heat molded footbed.

You might also want to take your board into the physio and have them look at your joint alignment while in the bindings to see if they notice anything obviously problematic.
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