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01-26-2014 12:00 AM
East告de All really solid points above . Just FYI I have an Evo and the Villain .. The Villain feels WAY softer than the Evo ...it's also really fun, surprisingly stable and honestly I have zero complaints . I sometimes miss the feeling of a cambered board since all 3 boards I have are either hybrid or full rocker ( Gnu Danny Kass Vertighoul is the other one) but when I'm out riding I never feel like the boards are really lacking anything at all . Then again I happen to think they're all 3 pretty awesome boards for their own reasons.
Also I ride east coast garbage snow most of the time and the Villain handles it no problem .
01-25-2014 07:16 PM
Taylor_Gang
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Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik View Post
You are way overanalyzing buying a board. The fact that you think filing your edges down would make turns and jumps feel stiff is laughable and makes me think that it's rider skill, not the board's characteristics that are throwing you off.

The Villain is a really good board and Salomon makes solid products. It's not "core" enough for certain people, which I think is all bullshit anyway.
The DOA is an insanely sick board. It has won multiple awards, as has the BOF, which is the womens' version. It's a hybrid camber, but does not feel like a rockered board at all. I hate rockers, and I almost rode a 154 DOA as my main stick this year. I can go more into the DOA, so PM me if you want.

Shop kid was probably a kook. Don't let him make you feel a certain way. I worked in shops for years, and I would definitely see a trend of being "too cool" from a lot of fellow co-workers and shop employees from other stores. It's fucking lame and I'm not a fan of that at all. Especially now that I help out and work on the other side of the retailer spectrum, it's funny seeing these goofy ass kids who know jack shit about snowboarding try to talk themselves up. Bums me out when I hear about experiences like yours though.

tl:dr - any of those boards would be a great fit for you. You're overanalyzing a piece of wood that you use to slide down frozen water because some kook at a store gave you a weird look. Pick a DOA, Villain, or TDF and go have fun out on the hill.
Thanks for the encouragement, motivation and kind words. Coming off of a 2 year absence from snowboarding. Looking to get back into it "Hard" this season. I Miss it and am looking to fall back in love with my snowboarding!! Thanks.
01-25-2014 07:16 PM
cav0011 Using "Pros" to determine your gear is a fairly useless venture, you have no idea why they are using what they use or that thier gear is even what they are actually saying it is.

There are other factors to consider when watching pro's mostly you are not them. What feels right to you might feel awful to them.

At the end of the day pros ride what they get paid to ride.
01-25-2014 06:53 PM
Taylor_Gang I also forgot to mention...I really look at which "pros" most closely resemble to me in height, weight, size and riding style when looking at their snowboards/gear/kits.

Of which lead me to the Salomon Villain. I know Salomon Pro Harrison Gordon rides the villain and he's about the same height/weight and he rides the same resorts I do...I am probably a little shorter and heavier but pretty close.

K2 pro Nick Dirks and Academy pros Jordan/Jonas michilot all look pretty much the same size, height and weight as me and I always think...hey, maybe I need to ride the same size/model boards they do.

I don't know just speculation but If their comfortable with those boards...maybe I should be too.

Thanks for the help guys.

I think in the end it will come down to the Salomon VILLAIN, Capita DOA or YES BASIC as my top 3 board options for this season.
01-25-2014 06:36 PM
Alkasquawlik You are way overanalyzing buying a board. The fact that you think filing your edges down would make turns and jumps feel stiff is laughable and makes me think that it's rider skill, not the board's characteristics that are throwing you off.

The Villain is a really good board and Salomon makes solid products. It's not "core" enough for certain people, which I think is all bullshit anyway.
The DOA is an insanely sick board. It has won multiple awards, as has the BOF, which is the womens' version. It's a hybrid camber, but does not feel like a rockered board at all. I hate rockers, and I almost rode a 154 DOA as my main stick this year. I can go more into the DOA, so PM me if you want.

Shop kid was probably a kook. Don't let him make you feel a certain way. I worked in shops for years, and I would definitely see a trend of being "too cool" from a lot of fellow co-workers and shop employees from other stores. It's fucking lame and I'm not a fan of that at all. Especially now that I help out and work on the other side of the retailer spectrum, it's funny seeing these goofy ass kids who know jack shit about snowboarding try to talk themselves up. Bums me out when I hear about experiences like yours though.

tl:dr - any of those boards would be a great fit for you. You're overanalyzing a piece of wood that you use to slide down frozen water because some kook at a store gave you a weird look. Pick a DOA, Villain, or TDF and go have fun out on the hill.
01-25-2014 06:30 PM
Taylor_Gang
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I picked the villain after handling the DOA because it was softer. I wrote a review in the board reviews section.

don't be afraid, salomon makes a solid board
WOW...so the villain is softer than the DOA.

Do you think the DOA might be too much for me, my style and my resorts...??? Its probably more for "good snow conditions" (Pacific NW/Mammoth/UTAH/CO/TAHOE) and not so much soft man made So Cali stuff. I don't know...I will probably go and try to find one in a shop to feel out too.

Thanks Riley212. I will go and read your review also.
01-25-2014 06:24 PM
Taylor_Gang
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Originally Posted by East告de View Post
/\ same deck I'm riding (that and an Evo 153) .. Awesome board, super fun .. But it's a hybrid camber , not a true camber .

Taylor Gang, I'd still consider the TDF. I don't know much about it but it has probably evolved some over time since you last rode it and may be softer than before . Just speculation, but worth a shot .
I hear yah and its still in the back of my head. I liked everything about that board...I just wished it was a little bit softer. Also forgot to mention...When I had that board...I forgot to file down the edges. The edges were really sharp...and I think that also had to do with the board being uncontrollable in the soft snow and making the turns/jumps feel "stiff". I should of filed the edges down when I first got the board.

On that same note...I ride Bear and Mt High in Cali. The snow is always soft and I think boards like the YES TDF are a little overkill as far as the terrain I am riding for my weight, size and riding style. I actually bought the TDF board from a local Mt High Boardshop. The shop cashier/sales person kind of gave me this weird look when I told him I was going to buy the board. He had this look like..."dude...this board is probably way too stiff for the resorts around here and probably advanced for you" on his face when he was ringing me out. It was kind of weird and it threw me off and made me think twice about my purchase. I felt a little "guilty" driving home and a little like a "piece of meat". Like I just got played/jipped or something.

I really don't see guys around here my size and weight with boards like the TDF. They usually ride boards that are considerably softer and wider.

Now...If I was 5'10" and close to 175LBS and hitting the largest jumps Bear and Mt High has to offer...Than yes I would definitely give the TDF another run for its money. I just don't see it as a good fit as far as what everyone else is riding.

I don't know. I am in a BIG PICKLE here. I am gonna go into a shop and feel the new TDF and see if its a little softer than previous years. I might give it another try...who knows.

Thanks Eastside.
01-25-2014 06:22 PM
Riley212 I picked the villain after handling the DOA because it was softer. I wrote a review in the board reviews section.

don't be afraid, salomon makes a solid board
01-25-2014 06:07 PM
Taylor_Gang
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Originally Posted by Riley212 View Post
salomon villain 153, just short of medium flex closer to medium than soft. mostly camber, long effective edge, deceptivly narrow because the waist sidecut is a straight line and not an arc so it is wide in the middle but at the inserts it narrower. My Size 9.5's hang off a good bit. Fatty tips for butter/pressing.
Haha...I looked up this board a while back when it first came out. I liked the specs on paper and its actually very HIGH on my list right now as a all around bread&butter board. I like the graphics and the tech they put in it.

The only other board option thats competing with it is the "2014 CAPITA DOA in 150/52". The only thing that scares me with the DOA is...I think it might be a little too stiff for me...just like the YES TDF was.

On that same note...I believe the villain would suit me pretty good because a lot of guys my size, weight and riding style...ride snowboards that are close to what the villain has as far as shape/flex/size goes. Also...I ride So. Cali resorts Bear and Mt High and most people around here...ride pretty soft forgiving boards with fat blunted tips and standard widths just like the villain and such. I have NEVER rode a Salomon before and I'm a little hesitant but if all else fails...It just might be the ONE! I'm also down for the hybrid camber. It might just be what I am looking for.
01-25-2014 05:19 PM
East告de
Snowboard Shapes and options...???

/\ same deck I'm riding (that and an Evo 153) .. Awesome board, super fun .. But it's a hybrid camber , not a true camber .

Taylor Gang, I'd still consider the TDF. I don't know much about it but it has probably evolved some over time since you last rode it and may be softer than before . Just speculation, but worth a shot .
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