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02-06-2014 07:00 PM
shredjesse
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Originally Posted by freshy View Post
Okay fine I see your point. I've only owned 2 wide boards and they were sluggish as hell, I have become an anti wide guy because of it. I seriously thought there was no way a fatter waist could out turn a skinnier one but I guess I'm wrong.
Give it another chance at a demo day. You hopefully will be surprised. Also try the new darker series, if you're on dark boards. They changed the camber profile up and it's excellent, and largely camber dominant.
02-06-2014 06:57 PM
shredjesse
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Originally Posted by Extremo View Post
Nice. You gotta check out Gunstock if you get a chance. Park is managed by Rob Hallowell this year and he's got it on point. It's a lot of fun without being Sochi sized. Good flow and a couple of fun lines to choose from.
I used to ride Gunstock at night back in the day. I'll have to stop by again sometime!
02-06-2014 06:29 PM
Extremo
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Gotta love the NH kids for knowing a thing or two

I'm actually in the 603 this season, Loon season pass, hitting up other resorts here or there. Possibly doing USASA boardercross. I'd do more events but I broke my femur last year, need to keep it low(er) impact.
Nice. You gotta check out Gunstock if you get a chance. Park is managed by Rob Hallowell this year and he's got it on point. It's a lot of fun without being Sochi sized. Good flow and a couple of fun lines to choose from.
02-06-2014 06:11 PM
freshy Okay fine I see your point. I've only owned 2 wide boards and they were sluggish as hell, I have become an anti wide guy because of it. I seriously thought there was no way a fatter waist could out turn a skinnier one but I guess I'm wrong.
02-06-2014 05:42 PM
shredjesse
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Originally Posted by Extremo View Post
I completely agree that wider boards can be just as agile and even more than narrower boards. My Capita mid-life has a deep sidecut 7.5 and fat nose and tail. It's way more agile at 25.5 than my Nitro Misfit at 24.8. Sidecut, camber profile/shape, flex, and board width all have a lot to do with how a board handles.

I personally prefer a wider board for park. More surface area on a shorter board will give you more stability. But in the end it comes down to personal preference.

Gotta love the NH kids for knowing a thing or two

I'm actually in the 603 this season, Loon season pass, hitting up other resorts here or there. Possibly doing USASA boardercross. I'd do more events but I broke my femur last year, need to keep it low(er) impact.
02-06-2014 05:40 PM
shredjesse Okay, let's stick to simple physics:

A more aggressive side-cut will turn quicker than a less aggressive side-cut. Wallowy sidecut will make a skinny board turn slow... aggressive make a wide board turn fast. Take a wide board give it a more aggressive sidecut... presto change-o the board turns the same from flat to edge.

Time from edge back to flat is another potentially quantifiable number, which again can be compensated for by sidecut. If you aren't leaned over as far (which takes longer to do in theory on a wider board) then you don't have to go nearly as far to get back. Therefore a quicker sidecut, less lean, same turning radius, and the difference from lean back to center is therefore less time consuming than if it had less sidecut.

You are right, it's all simple physics really




For discussions on the darker series, go join the review thread on it. I've got plenty of information there for you to check out
02-06-2014 05:39 PM
Extremo I completely agree that wider boards can be just as agile and even more than narrower boards. My Capita mid-life has a deep sidecut 7.5 and fat nose and tail. It's way more agile at 25.5 than my Nitro Misfit at 24.8. Sidecut, camber profile/shape, flex, and board width all have a lot to do with how a board handles.

I personally prefer a wider board for park. More surface area on a shorter board will give you more stability. But in the end it comes down to personal preference.
02-06-2014 05:25 PM
freshy All I was arguing is a regular is more nimble than a wide, that is simple physics. It is easier to go from edge to edge with a smaller waist no matter what you say. Even if you think you have ridden more boards than me in my 26 years of snowboarding doesn't change the fact a regular turns sharper every time compared to a wide.

I guess you could call me a powerhouse rider I'm all about going fast and charging hard in pretty much all conditions, and I turn way sharper and faster on a regular than a wide. I am no small framed guy either, I have no problem pushing around a wide, but I prefer a regular because of the superior nimbleness.

Maybe the Dark series is too much board for you to handle if you think it is not suitable for trees with powder, I'm curious as to what terrain you think it's meant for. But I digress this thread is about reg vs wide not my Darker.
02-06-2014 03:32 PM
shredjesse Note: More to that affect, the Dark(er) series are some of the heavier wide boards on the market, and also some of the stiffest. Definitely heaviest and stiffest of the lib boards. For anything but powerhouse riders, this can lead to a vague feeling as the boards don't provide feedback until you're rocking them and actually getting some energy in and out of your camber. In the glades of New England or in slower pow runs through trees where you're operating at lower speeds, the dark series will of course feel dull and slow to respond. It's not meant for that sort of terrain.
02-06-2014 03:28 PM
shredjesse
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I completely disagree with that statement, unless you think Libtech and Ride might not have designed their wide boards properly. There is a huge difference in agility you can really notice where it counts like in the trees. I mean you do get used to it and can compensate but a side by side comparison it's very obvious. If you don't believe me you are welcome to try my Libs, a 61 and 61w Darkseries and tell me your opinion. I got size 11's BTW

Personally I would rather get a regular wide with a higher profile binging with gas pedals.

Having ridden all of the boards you mention, plus others from the lib line (TRS, Phoenix Lando, Darker Series), along with various wide and standard width boards from the Rome line-up (rode Rome products for years and took multiple boards to the USASA nationals from their line), and have ridden countless boards from a decade prior... I'd say you are are incorrect.

The only ones that didn't come across as equally nimble generally lacked adequate sidecut, such as the Agent Wide I rode a few years back. Having ridden the standard width agent then getting on the wide agent, I found myself constantly having to compensate for leaning into a turn and the board just not actually delivering like it's skinnier counterpart.

This was the result of inadequate sidecut, not the board just being wide.


Then again... I lift weights, I work out, and I'm not a small framed guy. The dark(er) series is far from Libtechs lightest board, and not the best representation of wide boards.
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