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02-19-2014 06:37 AM
return2heaven yes, i do feel the chatter but it's not something i think about anymore. i learned to trust my legs and how my board responds...
02-18-2014 03:05 PM
snowman55
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Originally Posted by return2heaven View Post
are your legs loose enough? blazing through crud is all about keeping your legs loose and absorbing the vibrations... I have last years TRS and i have no issues hauling ass through the crud at very high speed. Im 5'9 and 155lbs on a 154.
It's not really a problem where I'm actually wiping out but I really feel the bumps and don't like the feeling at certain speeds.

Maybe it's a tolerance thing. So let me ask you. Do you feel anything when you hit some death cookies while going fast on your TRS?
02-18-2014 02:58 PM
snowman55
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Originally Posted by tonicusa View Post
You got it killer. Sounds like all you need is the right board "to go straight down the hill on a slight edge".

OK. I'll take some lessons on "proper" carving and you should learn to read. Champ.
02-18-2014 02:53 PM
return2heaven are your legs loose enough? blazing through crud is all about keeping your legs loose and absorbing the vibrations... I have last years TRS and i have no issues hauling ass through the crud at very high speed. Im 5'9 and 155lbs on a 154.
02-18-2014 02:48 PM
tonicusa You got it killer. Sounds like all you need is the right board "to go straight down the hill on a slight edge".
02-18-2014 02:43 PM
snowman55
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Originally Posted by tonicusa View Post
"They all do well when the snow is descent but I've been doing alot of night riding lately when all the snow has been chopped up and typically icy.

Even with magnetracktion, I was getting bumped around when going fast. I don't flat base (no edging) much but I do like to straight line steep runs on a slight edge. When I do this, my boards feel very bump and chattery and I feel like I'm going to get bumped and wipe out."


This won't happen to you if you are carving and using dynamic movements with your legs and knees. I'm always amazed when I go out for a "freshener" with an Instructor buddy and I realize how much easier it is to rip through variable terrain when I'm riding properly or at least better than I normally do technique wise. It's clear from the problem you stated above that it has less to do with the board and more with the way you are riding ""steep runs on a slight edge".

Just trying to help you out, take it or leave it.
I think you miss the part where I said I am "straight lining on a slight edge". So tell me, how do you get dynamic when I want to go straight on one edge? I want to go fast by pointing my board straight down the fall line.
02-18-2014 02:34 PM
tonicusa "They all do well when the snow is descent but I've been doing alot of night riding lately when all the snow has been chopped up and typically icy.

Even with magnetracktion, I was getting bumped around when going fast. I don't flat base (no edging) much but I do like to straight line steep runs on a slight edge. When I do this, my boards feel very bump and chattery and I feel like I'm going to get bumped and wipe out."


This won't happen to you if you are carving and using dynamic movements with your legs and knees. I'm always amazed when I go out for a "freshener" with an Instructor buddy and I realize how much easier it is to rip through variable terrain when I'm riding properly or at least better than I normally do technique wise. It's clear from the problem you stated above that it has less to do with the board and more with the way you are riding ""steep runs on a slight edge".

Just trying to help you out, take it or leave it.
02-18-2014 02:26 PM
snowman55
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Originally Posted by tonicusa View Post
If you spend the money on a few lessons and learn to ride and carve properly you won't even need to worry about effective edge. Effective edge comes up for noobs a lot because they scrape down the mountain and hit the brakes a lot when they start feeling scared and out of control. Work on technique and you will be so much further ahead.

That said I agree with Nivek that something Camrock will make you feel more confident, but it won't really improve your riding. It will just disguise the fact that your mechanics need work. But definitely fun boards, especially in fresh.

Huh? What does your post have anything to do with what I'm asking? I'm asking will having longer effective edge help me feel more stable while going faster on crud. Not will it help me stop and slow down.

This has nothing or very little to do with riding technique or ability. You can be a pro and still feel unstable riding fast on a short soft board.
02-18-2014 01:44 PM
tonicusa If you spend the money on a few lessons and learn to ride and carve properly you won't even need to worry about effective edge. Effective edge comes up for noobs a lot because they scrape down the mountain and hit the brakes a lot when they start feeling scared and out of control. Work on technique and you will be so much further ahead.

That said I agree with Nivek that something Camrock will make you feel more confident, but it won't really improve your riding. It will just disguise the fact that your mechanics need work. But definitely fun boards, especially in fresh.
02-18-2014 01:35 PM
poutanen
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Originally Posted by Taylor_Gang View Post
Thanks. Sorry to make this post even more complicated/technical. Haha LOL.
I think the board is the biggest factor because it's the only part actually touching the snow. Here's my analogy of a snowboard system vs a car.

1) The board is the tires: It's the part that touches the running surface. Low profile tires have much less rubber between the road and rim, and therefore much more vibration or impacts will be transfered to the rim. A damp board would be like driving with tall 15" tires vs lower profile 17" tires (given the same overall tire diameter).

2) The bindings and boots make up all the components between the tires and the shock absorbers/struts/dampers in your car. This is the rim, hub, arms, ball joints, bushings, etc. If this system is stiff, you will be able to feel more of the road/snow. I like a stiff boot/binding setup because I want tons of feedback from the board.

3) Your legs are the shocks/dampers/struts. If you drive your car over a 6" speedbump at 30 km/h the tires will compress and rebound marginally, while the shocks will compress and rebound likely 5" or so. When we hit a solid bump in the snow, the board doesn't magically absorb all of the motion and transfer nothing to our legs (no matter how "damp") so your legs must absorb the whole bump.

My belief on what a damp board can do is: be less likely to have harmonic vibrations through the length of the board, transferring unnecessary vibrations up the system to your legs.

Take a look at the first 30 seconds of this vid, and look at the tips of the skis vibrate. I would assume that a less damp ski would have more amplitude to the vibrations, while a more damp ski would have less amplitude (and therefore transfer less of the vibration to the rider).

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