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03-06-2014 08:26 AM
GOskiLF_bum yup this is cross over. my point was that it's too confusing what cross over and under really is. cross over = legs extend at the start of a new turn; cross under = legs flex at the start of a new turn and then extend during the shaping of the turn. not that that explanation is much easier. in this video he is clearly extending his legs to start a new turn so he's doing cross over turns. i like how his board pops off the snow and how he lands on a new edge.

and great, great point about how he uses the slope to slow down by going a bit uphill. most new riders don't even come close to doing this. great video...thanks for sharing.
03-06-2014 12:08 AM
F1EA
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cross under and cross over terminology is going away. start thinking about how you un-weight the board. do you extend at the initiation of the turn or do you flex? this is the question you need to ask yourself. both are correct, just different.
You know... I had seen this video a while ago, ran into it again today... and i think here's a couple perfect examples of pure Cross-over turns. He still does some cross-unders and some mixed... but i think this illustrates pretty well the distinction i was trying to make yesterday:



Awesome carving there.

Edit> oh and for relevance: note how he shaves speed near the end of each turn by applying force to the rear and going a bit upslope.
03-04-2014 09:20 PM
SnowDogWax ^^^ Agreed you would then be a little off your rocker!!!
03-04-2014 08:50 PM
F1EA
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Snowboarding is just flat out "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"
Except when you're on a steep icy hill with a full rocker board. That takes the whole califragilisticexpialidociousness out of it.
03-04-2014 08:37 PM
BearPaw
Look two turns ahead

Some good advice given here on this thread. Another point is plan ahead while riding don't react while riding. Look and plan two turns ahead as you ride. Your control and riding skill will increase dramatically riding/planning ahead.
03-04-2014 08:25 PM
SnowDogWax Snowboarding is just flat out "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"
03-04-2014 07:00 PM
ksup3erb
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Originally Posted by GOskiLF_bum View Post
cross under and cross over terminology is going away. start thinking about how you un-weight the board. do you extend at the initiation of the turn or do you flex? this is the question you need to ask yourself. both are correct, just different.
Thanks master.
03-04-2014 06:45 PM
GOskiLF_bum cross under and cross over terminology is going away. start thinking about how you un-weight the board. do you extend at the initiation of the turn or do you flex? this is the question you need to ask yourself. both are correct, just different.
03-04-2014 06:09 PM
ksup3erb Ok, I think we are on the same page. I've always thought of "cross-under" and "cross-over" as how the turn is initiated. Once the turn is initiated I weight over the edge in a cross-over fashion. So I guess I do the hybrid style too. Or try to.
03-04-2014 06:03 PM
F1EA
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I'm confused. Isn't that still a cross under turn?
Not really, if you look at the way his body and weight are arranged about midway through the carve, he's in a cross over turn.... but the very start of the turn (ie the turn transition and how he switches edges) is like a cross-under. (He doesnt ALWAYS do this, some turns are full cross-under, but many turns are a mix). And also, you dont have to go all the way and finish the turn, you can cross-under and switch the edge at any point in the turn, it all depends on how you manage your knees and toe/heel pressure.

The guy in that video is doing it beyond right though... like text book carving. It gets a bit harder to do that in a duck stance or with less camber or on a very steep or crowded hill.

In my case, i did a lot of cross over and then pure speed checks to control speed... but that left me squaring my body and on steep runs it was really difficult to keep an edge. Also, going full carve with no skid simply carries too much speed... so these mixed turns help you engage the edges with the power of a cross under, while bleeding a bit of speed if you want (and altering the turn radius) with your rear leg without needing to square your body.

I'm nowhere near advanced... but that's more or less the way i see it.
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