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03-07-2014 05:44 AM
Originally Posted by buddhafist24 View Post
What are your opinions on the Hot Knife? Has anyone done a review on it?

I would really like to get one but would have to sell my current board before the wife might entertain the thought of me buying yet another board!
Nivek did a mini review
03-06-2014 02:52 PM
trapper I just set my forward lean adjusters up high enough on the Factory to where they are not even touching the heel cup. I've heard of others taking them off completely. Still more stock forward lean than the Cartel for sure, but they match my Burton boots perfectly with this adjustment. Not a lick of calf bite, but I also have big ass boots so it might not affect me anyways.

One thing that concerned me about the Cartels was a weak point in the highback where the forward lean adjuster is. I'm sure it's not that common, but I saw several online reviews where this had broken and when I handled them in the shop I just didn't like it. Again, I'm definitely no expert and I'm sure these were anomalies but I like the one solid piece highback of the Factory.
03-06-2014 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Nivek View Post
Cartels. I got calf bite from the Factory. Too much stock forward lean.
Do you know how much stock forward lean is built in? I like a little bit of forward lean, so it might not impact me.
03-06-2014 02:11 PM
Nivek Cartels. I got calf bite from the Factory. Too much stock forward lean.
03-06-2014 01:01 PM
teetang Thanks everyone for the response! I havent taken my HK up to the mountains yet but I will respond as soon as I get a few good days in
03-05-2014 10:17 AM
buddhafist24 What are your opinions on the Hot Knife? Has anyone done a review on it?

I would really like to get one but would have to sell my current board before the wife might entertain the thought of me buying yet another board!
03-05-2014 09:54 AM
LuckyRVA I rock cartels on my HK and love the combo. No experience with Union bindings. But, I would pick the Cartels again. Good response, super comfortable and love the ratchets.
03-05-2014 09:32 AM
tserich Very curious to hear some responses about this too!
03-05-2014 07:55 AM
Originally Posted by teetang View Post
Just picked up a 159 Hot Knife and I am debating whether or get the Cartels or Factory. I would think the Factory matches my board more but I have heard good things about the Cartels.

I got this board mainly to do some fast carves down the mountain and a bit of jumps and trees as well. Thanks for your input.
Both of those bindings will work perfectly fine on a HK. It's just a matter of your personal preference. I was on Cartels for the 2 previous seasons, and loved them (11/12 and 12/13 model years). I picked up a pair of Factories early this season, and was smitten to the point of buying 2 more pairs and ditching my Cartels. The Factory feels a bit more substantial to me. More damp, more responsive, more cush, just more all the way around. That said, they're still pretty similar, the difference that it makes in my actual riding experience certainly isn't drastic. I could ride either of those binders until the end of time and be perfectly content. I'm a big fan of the canting, and I think that autocant, and the canting on the Factory are virtually indistinguishable.
03-05-2014 02:35 AM
Record I'm riding the Now IPO's this season and I was just looking for something a little different since bindings hadn't really changed at all. I ordered them without ever riding them and the first time I took them down the hill they blew my mind. What I noticed immediately was how much easier you can actually carve every turn (both toe side and heel side) like you're supposed to opposed to kind of sliding the tail back and forth. I still carve my turns with standard bindings it just takes more effort and puts more pressure on my knees. Also combined with my 32 Lashed boots (my second pair in 4 years best boots i have ever owned by a mile, super comfortable and plenty of support) I never even think about my feet all day. I'm super stoked on them. Do yourself a favor and at least demo them before you buy something, theres nothing to lose.. for reference I'm 36, riding 20 years, 5'11" 175 pounds riding a 2013 160 Jamie Lynn C2BTX primarily at Mammoth. to sum up, easy to carve, more positive edge control/hold throughout your entire turn both toe side and heel side and less pressure on your feet so they are less fatigued at the end of the day. I didn't get them free, and have no affiliation just stoked. I bought them online from Shoreline of Tahoe August of last year and paid about $175 for them. I'm interested to try the Drive model because with that different high back it seems like you could get even more edge hold with no more effort.
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