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03-26-2014 06:34 PM
mhaas Thanks for posting that Lamps. It was an interesting article.
03-20-2014 02:24 PM
Unowned I just received an AK 2L Swash jacket from Burton yesterday, from warranty.

A couple of notes about this jacket...
- It's the continuation of the Stagger series with various upgrades...
- Addition of inner wrist-gaiters (I personally love these, as they are snug and great for integration with glove/mitt cuffs)
- New waist gaiter draw string - to tighten up the mid-section
- New primaloft insulation - lighter yet more supple than the insulation found in the older stagger jackets
- The laminate also feels different to the touch... I have the TIDE colorway which features the Ripstop 2-layer...it feels more resilient to the touch but I guess only time will tell how well it will stand up.
- Styling is updated a bit

Overall, I think Burton made some significant upgrades on the Swash model. Their warranty department came through without any hassle, and its more than what I can ask for from any apparel manufacturer. Quite satisfied.
03-19-2014 05:12 PM
Deacon
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Originally Posted by koi View Post
I don't know if someone mentioned this point, but Goretex isn't always made by Goretex. Often Goretex just sets parameters for Oakley, North Face, or whoever they are working with must follow to get the Gortex name on a productůso yes not all Goretex is the same.

Outside did an article on it awhile back explaining how Goretex is hell for most companies to deal with, and why many companies are making "Goretex," similar products instead.
Goretex IS, in fact, only made by goretex. it's brand. other manufacturers make comparable products to goretex, but they'd get their ass sued if they labeled it goretex.
03-19-2014 04:41 PM
ridinbend
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Christ, i have the receipt from the store the guy bought it from. I sent in the jacket to burton, they verified it was authentic. How much more legit do you want?
Dude, this is an Internet forum, you don't have to prove anything to anybody. You got hooked up by Burton, awesome. Now enjoy it and forget about the whiners.
03-19-2014 03:48 PM
Unowned
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Originally Posted by Evizzle View Post
The difference between buying in sale from an authorized dealer is you know it's not gray market, and you get a warranty. Buying used, from eBay or Craigslist, even if packaged as new means you are not entitled to a warranty unless specifically spelled out by the company that it is transferable. So much stuff from a major brand is after hours production/gray market goods that they are losing their reputation as a quality company. I'll let you decide who I'm talking about.
Christ, i have the receipt from the store the guy bought it from. I sent in the jacket to burton, they verified it was authentic. How much more legit do you want?
03-19-2014 11:05 AM
jliu ^that was a long but very interesting read.
03-19-2014 07:30 AM
Lamps Gore-Tex Under Siege from Waterproof Fabric Newcomers | Outdoor Gear - Equipment Reviews and Articles | OutsideOnline.com
03-19-2014 06:43 AM
koi I don't know if someone mentioned this point, but Goretex isn't always made by Goretex. Often Goretex just sets parameters for Oakley, North Face, or whoever they are working with must follow to get the Gortex name on a productůso yes not all Goretex is the same.

Outside did an article on it awhile back explaining how Goretex is hell for most companies to deal with, and why many companies are making "Goretex," similar products instead.
03-18-2014 10:42 PM
Evizzle The difference between buying in sale from an authorized dealer is you know it's not gray market, and you get a warranty. Buying used, from eBay or Craigslist, even if packaged as new means you are not entitled to a warranty unless specifically spelled out by the company that it is transferable. So much stuff from a major brand is after hours production/gray market goods that they are losing their reputation as a quality company. I'll let you decide who I'm talking about.
03-15-2014 09:49 PM
Unowned
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Originally Posted by Incogneato View Post
Yeah i don't pay retail there bud so keep it in your pants

I'm laughing because its such an incredibly silly sense of entitlement that i see all to often. warranting an item you bought off someone else for super cheap is like eating all your meal at a restuarant and then asking for your money back because it "sucked". typical 'gaming" the sytem bullshit that shows you have little or no character and are just a piece of shit opportunist who thinks they deserve soemthing for free (or next to it). you'll probably argue this point but to me that will just say you know its true inside.
1) so your butthurt that you still overpaid despite paying under retail?
2) who cares whether I bought it off cl or not? The jacket was brand new with tags, with receipt. I didn't buy a half-beaten used jacket. Now, if someone buys it at a discount from a RETAILER, should he not receive the same benefits as someone who bought it at msrp? So exactly how does that make me different? Where should the line be drawn? Who are you to say what's fair and isn't?
3) How much do you think it costs Burton to produce these jackets? They're made in China and you can bulk buy them off alibaba for $100 a piece. Whatever I'm paying, I guarantee you, will cover the production cost of at least 2, maybe 3 jackets. Just who the fuck do you think is profiting from all of this, the salvation army? Get your head out of the gutter man.
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