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04-09-2014 08:56 PM
Byrdbones I'm about 6'2 and weigh typically 166lbs, size 12 US boot. My current board is a Nitro T2 159 Regular, when carving it's never been an issue, my binding setup (basically ducky) does hang off a little, not a whole lot.

However I hit a gnarly pole jam a few weeks ago at Mt. Snow. On the 3rd time, I came down with the nose pointed a little steep, it actually ended up catching and hitting directly on my left big toe, I mean hard. I thought for sure I'd broken my toe, or screwed up the nail bad. Ended up just being a really bad blood blister. It still looks bad, but I walk fine. I may lose the nail.

No more regular boards for me... Think it's time to switch to wide.

So what you're saying does make sense, I can ride reg. boards and comfortably carve no problem. But, if you trench hard, or fall funny, you can definitely catch some snags with your toe or possibly heel edge.
04-07-2014 03:24 AM
behi
LTB PTeam

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Originally Posted by booron View Post
Holy Hell!
And 2., I assume you're in UK/Europe(?), but If you are in the US, how did you get it?!
Yes, I'm in Europe (Alps). I blindly ordered online (very little info on the board). International shipping was actually free.
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1. Any chance you could give me a quick review of that thing?
I'll compare the LTB PTeam to the Elan El Grande, the board I was using previously. The El Grande is a traditional mid+ stiff directional camber board with setback and taper. The bindings I used are the Rossignol HC Works (extremely stiff aluminum binding) and Burton Prophecy (2012 model).

The PTeam is a true twin CRC board with camber sections under each foot and rocker in the middle. The board is longitudinally a fair amount stiffer than the El Grande, while the rocker section is very soft.

In terms of torsional stiffness, on a scale of 1-10, it's a 12 (by far the stiffest board I've laid my hands on). It twists maybe 1/4 compared to the El Grande (twisted with the same amount of force). This also means, foot steering is incredibly difficult - excellent dynamic riding technique is not optional.

The board is made with fiberglass, aramid and carbon fiber with an extra dampening layer under the edge. It's extremely well dampened. On a scale of 1-10, I would give the El Grande a 2, the PTeam gets a 10. The board is generally very stable, flat-based actually more so than the El Grande. I've done 70mph flat-based, the board was stable, no vibrations whatsoever. The PTeam cuts extremely well through chop, while still swallowing bumps much better than the softer El Grande.

Turn initiation with foot steering is rather sluggish - like driving an oil tanker. Once the board starts turning / gets on edge, it has a strong tendency for over-steering and requires very good front / back pressure distribution. However, with good dynamic technique the board is very nimble and I can turn the board as well as the El Grande; it just requires much better / cleaner technique and a bit more effort.

Float in powder is far better than the El Grande, even though the El Grande has setback and taper.

Edge hold is outstanding. Hardpack that feels like slippery ice with the El Grande rides like nice grippy packed powder with the PTeam.

So overall, the board is outstanding in the right hands. Someone who doesn't have very good dynamic technique will definitely struggle and hate the board.

(I've probably had 150+ days on the PTeam.)
04-05-2014 01:35 PM
booron
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Originally Posted by behi View Post
LTB Big Twin 166XXW - 166cm with blunted nose/tail (the widest non-custom boards made).
Holy Hell!

1. Any chance you could give me a quick review of that thing?

And 2., I assume you're in UK/Europe(?), but If you are in the US, how did you get it?!
04-05-2014 02:01 AM
behi
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Originally Posted by booron View Post
My God Man!? What board is this? A 190+?
LTB Big Twin 166XXW - 166cm with blunted nose/tail (the widest non-custom boards made).
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I tore my tricep once booting out on a steep, a good three cartwheel tumble on hardpack, made me gun shy for like a year...
After a couple of nasty boot outs with my previous setup, I stopped carving for a while...
04-05-2014 12:14 AM
booron
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Originally Posted by behi View Post

(My board has a 28.6cm waist; boot size is 14.)
My God Man!? What board is this? A 190+?

I tore my tricep once booting out on a steep, a good three cartwheel tumble on hardpack, made me gun shy for like a year...
04-05-2014 12:03 AM
ETM Definately, not that I even look at board size threads lol but watching people talk about boardlength differences of a few cm like its like and death without even considering effective edge can be amusing.
04-04-2014 11:41 PM
poutanen
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Originally Posted by ETM View Post
There is a limit though guys. I built a board with a 28cm waist and riding that was so much work , it really highlighted the effect that excessive board width has, and its all negative.
Agreed, I just think sometimes we shy people with size 11 feet away from a wide board, when really they're likely fine on one...

We also tend to be short board happy here, a few of us like experimenting with longer boards, but it seems like once you hit the 160 mark people think the thing is going to blow up and ride you!
04-04-2014 04:55 PM
ETM There is a limit though guys. I built a board with a 28cm waist and riding that was so much work , it really highlighted the effect that excessive board width has, and its all negative.
04-04-2014 11:25 AM
poutanen
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Originally Posted by timmytard View Post
I think the big myth is....
Wide boards are just too slow & cumbersome edge to edge.

People seem to think they can't even ride a wide board.
Like somehow 1 cm wider is magically going to make it ride like an actual door

I doubt most people could even tell the difference?
My thoughts exactly, that said we shouldn't all go out and buy 30 cm wide boards, but my normal board width is about 25.0 cm, and I've recently had a couple wider boards out (Prior Khyber 165 with a 26.0 cm waist, and a Nitro Slash 166 with a 26.4 cm waist). They both felt fine to me, and I have size 8 feet.

I'm faster on the more narrow boards, but it doesn't mean the wider ones weren't fun!
04-04-2014 06:33 AM
ZeMax I really like Sean's point of view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtsIM88T6A0
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