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01-19-2016 01:29 PM
carlkrammit Have to say my review after my first snow trooper day is very similar. Gotta shout out to my man Jessie at Boise's Board Room (by far best shop in Boise to buy gear), who totally sold me on this board's design/tech features AND Never Summer's whole company...
Anyway, got the 159 and took it to Brundage (McCall, Idaho, notorious for great snow) to break it in, and rode it on all the varying conditions I could find (hard to find a run not inclusive of significant powder). Overall, can't think of a better word to describe this board than 'fun' or 'playful'. The ST has has just enough flex to it and gives you surprising pop off kickers and really everything I hit (which was not anything huge), and the whole time just felt really solid, including when I was bombing the occasional groomer. Coming from a traditional camber you do notice an edge-hold difference, simply because that rocker profile in the middle lets this board float and 'skate' on that central pivot point, but never once did I feel out of control at high speeds or catch an edge, etc., which I would have to attribute to the camber areas on the way to the tips. Just felt like the ST was a near perfect blend of edge hold and float-ability. In contrast, my old 159 camber just feels SO rigid, like a breadstick man!
However, if there's one 'con' to the ST, it's simply that it is less aggressive of an edger (and you can feel it), but with that sacrifice comes a central pivot point with the rocker part of its profile that allows you to turn on a DIME...So, we spent a significant amount of time off trail and in the trees in 4-6ft of the soft stuff, and the ST floated and navigated like a champ--SO much better than my old 159 camber. Have never been able to do trees as fast as I did with the ST and stay on top of the pow. I think NS really struck gold with their rocker-camber profile--it just makes for a more versatile all-mountain ride than straight camber. This board was well worth the price tag, and it goes without saying that it's worth a demo. Enjoy!
01-05-2016 05:59 PM
Judedude Thanks for the review! I'll have mine out for it's first runs Sunday at Breck. I demo'ed one last season and really loved it. I'll make sure to post comments here after my trip.
01-05-2016 05:46 PM
powderjunkie Just finished off 7+ days riding the Snowtrooper in Colorado. Have to say... I absolutely love this thing. Does absolutely everything well. Most of my riding is spent in the trees, and I must say that I was definitely impressed. The Snowtrooper can hold a line in the trees very well and never wash out on those super hard turns when you are screaming along. It also handles flatbasing along narrow paths very well. I never caught an edge in the trees which is key. Nothing worse than trying to flatbase a narrow path, catching an edge, and going head first into a tree.
I am not a huge groomer guy, but I did spend a day pretty much dedicated to riding groomers. I was also fairly impressed there as well. The tips never fluttered at high speeds, the board held an edge very well, and I never had an issue with washing out on hard carves. I definitely prefer the vario power grip to magnetraction. Magnetraction is ALWAYS catchy and vario power grip is only catchy when you need it to be.
The board floated pretty well in powder too. We never had any "deep" days while we were out there, but I did do some in bounds hiking at Keystone and Breck. With only minimal setback of the bindings I just leaned back a little and the nose popped right up. I would assume that if I set the bindings all the way back I would not even have to do that.
The pop on this board is also pretty damn good. Side hits, kickers, rollers, small cliff drops it handled all of it. I didn't do anything above a 10 foot kicker on the Snowtrooper, but you could easily do larger and not get bucked. The skate style pop is pretty impressive.
I don't do any jibbing or rails at all so I cannot comment on any of these. The board is soft enough that I was able to do some easy butters on it. Honestly, the flex is the thing I love about this board. Soft enough you can torque it as needed in trees and have fun buttering on it but stiff enough to handle bombing runs.
One of my only knocks about the board is how HEAVY it is. Hiking is not fun with it. On the other hand, this board is absolutely bomb proof. After taking this board through some pretty nasty rocks and tree stumps I looked at the base and there was no major damage other than a few scuffs. Only marks on the board are top sheet nicks from damn skiers.
Overall, the board is awesomesauce. Never Summer definitely earned a lifelong customer!
11-25-2015 08:53 PM
CK1000 I have put a fair amount of days on mine, I dig it, there's nothing the deck doesn't do well from what I've seen, but I might ride it a few more days this year and move to something different... Mostly 'cause I'm a big dude and think I might want something stiffer (the Snowtrooper is no noodle though, and is totally fun), and also because I grew up riding traditional camber and the CRC thing feels squirrelly to me sometimes, so I might go back to straight-up 100% camber...

That said, the setback being 15mm is a HUGE bummer to me, and the fact that the max stance on my 164cm is 24.5" has been annoying too. Even if there were wider stance options, with a 15mm setback you can't "twin it out" so the nose/tail are the same length like you can with most directional-twins that are usually setback at 2cm/20mm (or one hole), and I think it's weak because I might like to ride it centered as a "twin" if I want.
If it was setback at 20mm, and the stance-pattern went wider (like it usually does on boards this size), I could ride it as a "twin" 90% of the time and still set the whole stance back another hole or 2 for the deep stuff (which is what I want). At my size and with my stance-width, with this deck's pattern I'm "locked-in" with no play. This has been, or is, my only real gripe w/ this board.

I never looked that closely at available stance options on boards I'd choose; but, this board has made me look hard at that now (partly 'cause I ride Burton bindings that don't do stance-width). Seems I've found out that where the inserts/screw-pattern lands on the board is a huge deal to me. YMMV
09-13-2015 12:46 PM
SnowDogWax
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Originally Posted by 70'sskater View Post
Years ago, prob spring 1999 I demo'ed a 161 Ride Timeless at Blackcomb, they didnt have the 164 available. At the time I had two boards, a 169 for pow days and a 162 for groomer days. That 161 Timeless felt so great I figured the 164 would be a quiver killer so I went with it the next winter. It was great for the 1st couple hrs in the morning but by the end of the day I was dragging because of how stiff it was. So yes, 3 cm can make a difference depending on the board.
+1
The pass couple seasons my boards where getting stiffer and longer... has seemed to take some of the fun out of my day. I'm flying down the mountain but as you said.... Dragging at the end of day. Bought some mid-flex boards this year. Hoping to get back to longer more fun days on the slopes.
09-13-2015 03:53 AM
70'sskater
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Originally Posted by kimchijajonshim View Post
I was probably 210 lbs at the time. It was a rental so it was a 2015 model, nothing that should be redesigned. Don't know what it is, ridden boards that were longer, stiffer, whatever, I just didn't feel comfortable on it except at speed. Very damp, plowed through crap well, but really felt like I had to muscle it around a lot. Difference between it and the 159 West felt like a lot more than 3 cm.
Years ago, prob spring 1999 I demo'ed a 161 Ride Timeless at Blackcomb, they didnt have the 164 available. At the time I had two boards, a 169 for pow days and a 162 for groomer days. That 161 Timeless felt so great I figured the 164 would be a quiver killer so I went with it the next winter. It was great for the 1st couple hrs in the morning but by the end of the day I was dragging because of how stiff it was. So yes, 3 cm can make a difference depending on the board.
09-13-2015 03:35 AM
kimchijajonshim
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Originally Posted by 70'sskater View Post
Thats odd, I have a 162 and its probably the easiet turning board I have ever owned. I'm alittle over 200 lbs though. But the 162 with a 125cm effective edge rides kinda short for me. Wish they had a 165 in this or the West. May try to demo the Cobra 164 this year, kinda wondering how much longer it will last though. It may be due for a redesign of some sort.
I was probably 210 lbs at the time. It was a rental so it was a 2015 model, nothing that should be redesigned. Don't know what it is, ridden boards that were longer, stiffer, whatever, I just didn't feel comfortable on it except at speed. Very damp, plowed through crap well, but really felt like I had to muscle it around a lot. Difference between it and the 159 West felt like a lot more than 3 cm.
09-13-2015 02:17 AM
70'sskater
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Originally Posted by kimchijajonshim View Post
Word of warning: demoed a 162 Snow Trooper earlier this year and hated it. Felt like a plank. Really surprised since I rode a 158 SL for years and have ridden boards as long as 164 everyday without problems. Talked to Never Summer and they mentioned the 162 last year did seem particular big. Think the 159 would have worked better for me.

I got a few days on a 159 West, which is supposed to be a little stiffer, and felt much, much, much more comfortable on it. Did not feel like 3 cm.
Thats odd, I have a 162 and its probably the easiet turning board I have ever owned. I'm alittle over 200 lbs though. But the 162 with a 125cm effective edge rides kinda short for me. Wish they had a 165 in this or the West. May try to demo the Cobra 164 this year, kinda wondering how much longer it will last though. It may be due for a redesign of some sort.
09-12-2015 04:21 PM
SnowDogWax
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Originally Posted by kimchijajonshim View Post
Word of warning: demoed a 162 Snow Trooper earlier this year and hated it. Felt like a plank. Really surprised since I rode a 158 SL for years and have ridden boards as long as 164 everyday without problems. Talked to Never Summer and they mentioned the 162 last year did seem particular big. Think the 159 would have worked better for me.

I got a few days on a 159 West, which is supposed to be a little stiffer, and felt much, much, much more comfortable on it. Did not feel like 3 cm.
Bought a the 164 SnowTrooper this pass Summer.
09-12-2015 01:18 PM
kimchijajonshim Word of warning: demoed a 162 Snow Trooper earlier this year and hated it. Felt like a plank. Really surprised since I rode a 158 SL for years and have ridden boards as long as 164 everyday without problems. Talked to Never Summer and they mentioned the 162 last year did seem particular big. Think the 159 would have worked better for me.

I got a few days on a 159 West, which is supposed to be a little stiffer, and felt much, much, much more comfortable on it. Did not feel like 3 cm.
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