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06-20-2014 12:28 PM
chomps1211
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Originally Posted by f00bar View Post
I know lessons have been mentioned, but I would add the word 'private' to that as well. Talk to the people who run the school and get a recommendation....
I wholeheartedly second this!!! 1 or 2 private lessons (with a good instructor!) will do far more for her progression, skill & confidence than a months worth of your average group lessons.

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....For the chair, not sure if you bought her gear or not, but if so make sure she has a stomp pad. Crashing on exiting the lift is just part of life for a little bit.

....if there are options choose lifts with a long straight exit as oppose to hurry up and turn or fall off the cliff of death.
...again, a Stomp Pad is a really good idea! It did wonders for my ability to manage the offloads from the lifts! And yes,.. a few crashes are always going to be a part of dealing with lift lines! Especially in the beginning.

Although the second part of that statement will generally be utterly beyond her ability control. I've seen offloads on bunny hill runs that freaked the shit out of me! Short, steep, and a nice big fence or pole to crash into 10 ft. after getting off!

And then again,.. I've seen more than a few Blue or Black runs with nice, easy mellow run outs for the offload before turning to face the "Steep assed wall of Death!" Lol!! So go figure!

Good luck with her progressing this season!
06-20-2014 09:31 AM
f00bar I know lessons have been mentioned, but I would add the word 'private' to that as well. Talk to the people who run the school and get a recommendation.

Don't just accept any name they throw out there, make sure they find the right person, even if it means waiting a day or so until they are open. A very close second after securing your money is they really do want you to succeed, so you just have to make sure they stay focused on that and find the right person as opposed to filling a slot. Call a few days ahead of time, talk to them and secure your spot.

I'm going to put my quack hat on for a second and say that the fact she won't let you help her might suggest she may do better with a female instructor from a confidence stand point. (I do , but that's for other reasons... ) The whole Spice Girl girl power thing.

For the chair, not sure if you bought her gear or not, but if so make sure she has a stomp pad. Crashing on exiting the lift is just part of life for a little bit. Try not to let her stress on it and if there are options choose lifts with a long straight exit as oppose to hurry up and turn or fall off the cliff of death.
06-20-2014 07:17 AM
neni
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Originally Posted by stevros48 View Post
Is it true that pointing where you want to go with arms outstretched parellel to board can really help when learning to traverse and turn.
Yes, this can be helpful cos it avoids that you counter-turn the upper body, twist the hip and rudder - a very prominent and counterproductive beginner's mistake! By stretching out the arms you will automatically concentrate on what you do with your upper body, thus you'll turn your body in the right direction and the rest of the body and board follow that movement. You don't need to outstretch the arms like a cross, but lift them enought that you get aware of them.

The confidence to "point it" and trust the board that it will do the turn takes some time to build up. I really can feel her. Although my beginners days are long ago, I'm a complete noob when riding switch, and yes, I actually am concerned with getting too much speed as well as soon as the board is turned into the wrong direction . I've to overcome the same beginners mistakes (counter-turning, too much weight on back leg, etc.). Thus the mantra is: bend your knees, don't stay in the back-seat, mind your upper body, let the board do it's work - and have fun! I actually used that outstretched-arms technique again last season when I exercised riding switch and my muscle memory was uncapable to handle turns in the "wrong" direction. Looks silly but works well .

Taking a snowboarding holiday somewhere with proper slopes is a very good idea. Continuous days of riding will help a lot to progress. If you ever consider to visit Europe, Zermatt has - among the huge selection of other slopes - very nice beginner slopes: long and wide, with a consistent slope.
06-20-2014 07:16 AM
larrytbull
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Originally Posted by kosmoz View Post
buy all the protective gear you can buy, it will bring much confidence
+1 on that I wear the demon snow Battle suit. Demon Snow Flex Force Pro Top Body Armor - Men's | Dogfunk.com.

I get a little ribbing from my wife on this, but after a few non snowboard related surgeries, I take no risks.
It keeps u a little warmer and more protected
I find i laugh when I fall as the suit pretty much absorbs any hit.

Also, I had same problem with speed. I felt I was not in control when pointing the board straight down.

I took an initial lesson then
I followed a lot of the progressions steps from the snow professor's website.
I went by my self to bunny hill and just repeated each exercise till i felt comfortable with that step, then I moved on to next. I also found that going on slow days as well as going later in the season helped alot many of the bunny slopes are empty, which will also help build confidence. Less people to crash into or avoid means more focus on skills

for some people Speed takes time
confidence will take time, as long as you allow her to progress on her own schedule.
perhaps if you let her alone on the bunny slope, with a few visits during the course of a day
you may find that she will find the courage to meet you on the intermediate slope after a few days
06-20-2014 06:58 AM
kosmoz
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Originally Posted by stevros48 View Post
Hey thanks neni for useful comments...actually my gf feels more safer on a board than skis ...we have discussed it...yes she has admitted she may need another lesson but she can be aggressive in sport but the fear of going.fast on a board is the problem...i found the more steep you.go the more you.have to be patient and not force the board to turn too quick if its at the expense of balance. Is it true that pointing where you want to go with arms outstretched parellel to board can really help when learning to traverse and turn.
All i know is that mt hutts learners slope is a joke. Ive read in japan that one resorts beginners trail is 4km long.... Sometimes i think a holiday at a ski in ski out resort might be better as that way we can spend a good 6 to 12 days constantly on far longer learners slopes....another issue seems to be nz learners slopes arent very wide....if we were to go to usa or japan can anyone recommend a great beginners resort ?
buy all the protective gear you can buy, it will bring much confidence
06-20-2014 06:31 AM
stevros48 Hey thanks neni for useful comments...actually my gf feels more safer on a board than skis ...we have discussed it...yes she has admitted she may need another lesson but she can be aggressive in sport but the fear of going.fast on a board is the problem...i found the more steep you.go the more you.have to be patient and not force the board to turn too quick if its at the expense of balance. Is it true that pointing where you want to go with arms outstretched parellel to board can really help when learning to traverse and turn.
All i know is that mt hutts learners slope is a joke. Ive read in japan that one resorts beginners trail is 4km long.... Sometimes i think a holiday at a ski in ski out resort might be better as that way we can spend a good 6 to 12 days constantly on far longer learners slopes....another issue seems to be nz learners slopes arent very wide....if we were to go to usa or japan can anyone recommend a great beginners resort ?
06-20-2014 04:14 AM
linvillegorge
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Originally Posted by ETM View Post
Lessons ;-)
This.
06-20-2014 03:25 AM
neni Find out, what exactly she's most afraid of and then concentrate in building up the technique to handle that particular situation. Negociating that problem will build up confidence to tackle the next step. Is it that she can't brake if getting too much speed? Then exercise braking. Is it that she's afraid to catch an edge? Then concentrate on edge control. Is it the turning? Let her do slow turns in proper technique and actually feel the board, how it reacts, how the edges will to the turns without bustling movements.
It rarely is a good idea when couples teach eachother... and in your case, as you're noobish as well, you most probably won't be able to identify what she's doing right or wronly. Thus invest on more lessons and choose a gentle patient instructor who will listen to her, discuss her fears and tackle them - her excuses about gear show that she's overstrained/pushed too much. She should have the time to analyse the real problem.

On a sidenote: It's no good to compare how fast you progressed with her progress. Everybody is different. I assume, she's the gentle cautious type of girl? And you like her for being soft n gentle? If so, remind yourself that you usually like these traits when you feel you get impatient and don't expect her to change her character just cos you'd like her to be suddenly brave just cos you're on the slope now.

And at the risk of getting a shitstorm for my next comment: snowboarding isn't for everyone. I've many rather cautious/fearful female friends who tried snowboarding and gave up soon, switched to skies and enjoy their time on the slopes with skies. With skies you have better speed control as a beginner and you rarely fall due to the additional poles. If your gf absolutely won't overcome her fears, and you absolutely want to spend time on the slopes together... maybe she'll prefer the saver way.
06-20-2014 02:39 AM
ItchEtrigR Maybe snowboarding is just not her thing, not much you can do about that. Just let her go at her own pace. If she's willing to participate in a lesson even better. Some pick up the basics quickly, some take longer, and some really don't care for it and never will.
06-20-2014 02:36 AM
ETM Lessons ;-)
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