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12-13-2007 06:00 AM
PaoloSmythe no ratchet problem at all; no freezing, no clogging.

their mechanics made me fear it would be easy for an involuntary release whilst riding, especially on the toe. but thus far, such fears have remained unfounded.

one icy issue tho, is the amount of compacted snow / ice between boot and base plate.

it is a recurrent issue but is one that rome at least seem to have tried to conquer, as my missus' madisons come with a flush flat piece, on top of the mounting disc, to reduce snow entrapment.

for me and the cartels however, it is the frequent house cleaning of clearing out snow. still, my sal SP4 were much worse
12-12-2007 12:07 PM
kri$han how do the ratchets perform on those extremely cold days?

i remember rentals freezing up pretty good. The Sims I have now are pretty good; good support, and even tho they'r eplastic ratchets, they don't freeze up too badly. After trying the toe-strap tho, I was hooked...
12-12-2007 11:24 AM
PaoloSmythe i can't remember; i perhaps i just don't wanna remember!

i bought them in resort in Big White; very much a 'captive audience' kinda town!

my feet were agonising me and i figured my ancient salomons were giving me hot spots (turned out it was defective vans boots!) and hoot, i spent top dollar

altho i did pikey a resort worker discount (some how!)... sub C$250 i think....

but i really don't recall.

but they are good. kinda odd not to feel the toe strap over the top of your foot and i fear that i tighten the cap more than necessary... i kinda feel like the boot is concertina-ing from the toe to the heel; i think a snug rather than tight fit is what's called for...? advice anyone?
12-12-2007 10:55 AM
kri$han how much did you get 'em for?.. the price difference is liek $120 between the two ... dunno if I can justify that on getting this year's model, especially if I'm gonna have two sets of bindings and one board at the end of the day
12-12-2007 10:43 AM
PaoloSmythe ah ha! so i got last year's then....

which is fair enuff, coz that's when i got em
12-12-2007 10:38 AM
kri$han ^ yeah, I sawr 'em on the forum's at the shop too... might take my boots in and start fitting bindings...

the Cartel's are stiffer than the custom's or freestyle's, according to burton.

Paolo, the 2008's and the 2007's have only subtle differences; the adjustment for forward lean on the high-back being the biggest design difference... this one is more robust.
12-12-2007 09:08 AM
lisevolution Tech Nine has a similar toe strap as do Flux, Forum (now owned by burton), Union, Rome and Ride have convertible toe caps, so a bunch of companies are making them or something similar now
12-12-2007 05:10 AM
Originally Posted by romesaz
Cause burton has a patent on it.
damn those bastards, trying to protect their investment on innovation!

how dare they!!!!?
12-11-2007 05:34 PM
Originally Posted by kri$han
...and I dunno why more companies don't do that.
Cause burton has a patent on it. I believe there were some other companies that tried to do something similar for a season or two, but had legal issues.

(or so I've heard)
12-11-2007 11:39 AM
laz167 ok guys gotta put my 2 pennies in..I now ride a Burton Blunt with Custom bindings.last year I rode Freestyle bindings(cause I was cheap and didnt want to spend much money on bindings).And the toe caps thing feels pretty good nice and snug.And the customs have a good flex.not sure about the Cartel's.But I think that the disc should fit the 4x2 pattern.If im not mistaken the old freestyle bindings(which is the same as the customs disc), I rode last year fit on an old K2 board which had the 4x2 pattern.
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