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12-04-2010 08:09 PM
vrecksler
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Originally Posted by Triple8Sol View Post
You should've gone with a Lib Phoenix Series (Lynn/Lando) or T.Rice which have a mellow MTX edge.
Well, I finally received my Heritage and rode it today and so far, I have to say that while they are similar, I have noticed some differences:

1. The Dark Series feels heavy yet the Heritage, although not lightweight, didn't. My 158 was 7lbs using the bathroom scale when I got home, and the 160 Heritage 6.5lbs.
2. The Dark Series would wash out exiting turns when going fast on hardpack, and I couldn't really carve on it. The Heritage almost rides like a regular cambered board on the hardpack.
3. Magne traction is super grippy which scrubs speed off in the flats, and the variable edge that NS uses is less invasive.

It's so early in my ownership to draw any firm conclusions, but so far the Heritage is pretty competent. After riding in hardpack (some softpack) the Heritage has outpeformed the Dark Series. But the Dark Series dominated crud like no other board I've ridden so we'll see how it handles that.
11-28-2010 10:07 PM
Triple8Sol
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Originally Posted by vrecksler View Post
Dang, I sure hope you're wrong because I already ordered the Heritage.

Ah well, if I don't like it, I will try something else next season like one of the Gnu boards. And while the weight was a negative, it wasn't a deal breaker. If the Magne Traction had been a little more subtle (I found it very grabby) I might have been able to get it to carve the way I like to.

From what I've read, the NS R&C technology is less invasive than Lib's C2BTX and Magne Traction and while I am going into this expecting the Heritage to weigh about the same, those differences could make the difference for me.
You should've gone with a Lib Phoenix Series (Lynn/Lando) or T.Rice which have a mellow MTX edge.
11-28-2010 09:19 PM
john doe Check out the Smokin KT-22 as well. It is rocker/camber like the Lib and NS and has magnetraction like Lib but is more subtle. The Angry Snowboarder Blog Archive Smokin KT-22 Used and Reviewed
11-28-2010 08:28 PM
vrecksler
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Originally Posted by Triple8Sol View Post
The Heritage is not gonna any lighter. RC is so similar too C2 so if you don't like one...
Dang, I sure hope you're wrong because I already ordered the Heritage.

Ah well, if I don't like it, I will try something else next season like one of the Gnu boards. And while the weight was a negative, it wasn't a deal breaker. If the Magne Traction had been a little more subtle (I found it very grabby) I might have been able to get it to carve the way I like to.

From what I've read, the NS R&C technology is less invasive than Lib's C2BTX and Magne Traction and while I am going into this expecting the Heritage to weigh about the same, those differences could make the difference for me.

Thanks for the responses!
11-28-2010 07:27 PM
billygold18 I love the DS C2 2010. I don't think it is heavy at all, and it has insane pop. I consider it a freestyle, freeride board. Free style for it's twin directional body, and free ride for it's stiff build. I live in PA (= all ice) and I felt it carved very well. As you said, it is "confidence inspiring" and can hard-charge anything.

However, my one regret is not having a chance to try it in a 158. I am 5'11" 180 and bought a 161. I ride it very well, and I am sure the added length adds to my freeride ability. I am able to play with it, but not as well as I could if it were a bit shorter. I can butter it slightly, but not as well as I could if it were a bit shorter. However, it is very stiff, so not really meant for that.

All-in-all I am freerider, who has lately dabbled in freestyle, and this board fits me well. I had been riding for years on the same basic Burton board, and wanted to take it to the next level. I would have liked to have tried a shorter board, but I have only ridden the 161 five times and have a season to get a better feel for it. Worst comes to worst, I can sell it at the end of the season and go for the 158.

However, I am sure you are not interested in the details of size. In terms of the board overall, I highly suggest it. It truly is amazing.
11-28-2010 06:45 PM
walove if you can get the gnu alter gen. then go with that. Its got all the crazy mervin tech with a light weight build, in a freeride minded deck. Retails for the same as the t-rice and dark series. Its not a twin though, directional with a hint of set back.
11-28-2010 01:54 PM
Triple8Sol The Heritage is not gonna any lighter. RC is so similar too C2 so if you don't like one...
11-28-2010 01:43 PM
vrecksler Billy,

Do you mind posting an update on what you selected and how it turned out?

I went with the Lib Tech Dark Series C2BTX last year, and am now strongly considering switching to the Never Summer Heritage.

Things I liked about the Lib:
- Stiff and rigid enough to plow through crud at mach speeds
- Reverse camber was great in powder

Things I didn't like about it:
- Heavy
- Magne traction is too invasive, especially when riding/landing switch
- Reverse camber doesn't let me 'carve' hardpack or corduroy

Overall, I found the board to be very confidence inspiring in conditions that I traditionally don't ride well; a few days after a snowfall when the mountain is shredded up and no longer soft, I could charge down as if it was powder. While other boards would deflect each time it hits a big death cookie, the Dark Series held the line and just motored on through. But I do a lot of small hill riding on runs and enjoy holding an edge and actually carving, and the Lib just doesn't do it.

From what I have read, the NS Heritage's edges are much more subtle than Magne, and the R&C is also a milder version of the C2BTX. Since I bought my board at Backcountry.com, and they have a lifetime return policy, I can exchange it without any hassles.

So I'm really interested to hear your experiences since it sounds like we were looking for the same kind of board.
02-16-2010 11:35 AM
billygold18 So I actually found two great discounts, but not on the never summer. I posted them in a new thread "Dark Series vs. Phoenix Lando." Sorry for posting so much, but I definitely appreciate your help. I'm just itching to get this over with already.
02-15-2010 09:43 PM
Cool_As_Cakes you probably won't find deals on either of the three original boards so don't hold your breath there. Ya get what ya pay for usually though
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