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11-06-2010 01:34 PM
InfiniteEclipse
11-06-2010 09:31 AM
AngryHugo
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When the turn around occurs, they will then say that it is because they threw the bums out and put the Republicans in.... I have seen this cycle go on since Nixon.
That was kind of my ill-made point about the stock market relating to unemployment inversely. If you look at the S & P 500 vs an unemployment graph of the past 50 years, they will practically mirror each other with a 3 to 4 month lag. Now that the market is climbing steadily, unemployment should start declining around March/April. And of course we'll see creepy, orange John Boehner's rotten face on tv taking credit for everything.
11-05-2010 10:59 PM
justdust Obama's greatest accomplishment: tying republican/conservative panties in a knot just by the fact that he's in office!
11-05-2010 06:34 PM
snowjeeper it's not that can't afford to, it's that the need isn't there. people aren't consuming enough.

also the stock markets are up because investing is lucrative right now, which shows the disconnect between the real economy and gambling on the markets.
11-05-2010 04:32 PM
AngryHugo Right now, the Dow Jones is at a level approximately what is was 5 years ago (11,400), which is actually pretty good. A lot of economists were projecting it would take up to 10 years to pull out of the recession, so getting back over 10k is pretty significant.
11-05-2010 04:09 PM
Shocktroop531 everybody who thinks that the recession was caused by federal spending (i.e.: the stimulus and the health care bill) needs to look at that link. People have such short memories. They act as if this all just happened overnight. it was the result of decades of bad trickle down and deregulation policies that started with Reagan (you could even go back to Nixon really) and were fostered by every administration since (including Clinton) and culminated in the ultimate corporate recklessness under the Cheney administration.

Obama has been handed such a giant pile of shit. I know people don't want to hear him pass the buck and blame the previous administration but in reality all of this really is their fault. they screwed the pooch so bad it is going to take decades to fix.
11-04-2010 06:55 PM
Donutz In Canada (or Kanada, as the rabid right likes to call us), we get a close-up-and-personal look at this two-sides issue all the time. Our dollar is not tied to the US buck in any financial way, but the exchange rate is a hot topic of conversation all the time. And when it goes up or down significantly because of (ferinstance) Bank of Canada policy changes, you get this huge wailing. If we're going up compared to the US$, it's bad and it'll destroy the economy because exports will suffer and jobs will be lost. if we're going down compared to the US$, it's bad and it'll destroy the economy because imports will be more expensive and jobs will be lost. You'd think we'd be right out of jobs by now, but no -- it's mostly just noise in the end.
11-04-2010 05:41 PM
InfiniteEclipse
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I completely agree who you! I was just disappointed to see that the site shows all of Obama's "good doing" rather than showing the cause and effect of each decsion in an unbiased way.

Altho I know that's a lot to ask for.
Well as the title of the site suggests, it's a response to all the naysayers claiming he's done nothing while in office, and as mpdsnowman pointed out, people who expect change overnight. Of course I agree with you on the unbiased note, however given the target audience (the "Obama is Muslim" crowd) it probably isn't the best forum to sit and have a levelheaded discussion.

Personally, I too subscribe to Donutz' egalitarian position
11-04-2010 04:57 PM
Karasene
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I see that kind of objection all the time, in both US and Canadian politics, as if making a decision that has an actual Down Side is a Bad Thing. I think that it's very likely that ANY decision that ANY politician makes (or anyone else for that matter) has pros and cons. The decisions that involve only pros, or that are so one-sided that they're not even worth debating are called "Easy Questions", and they've been decided decades if not centuries ago. Now we're left with what are called "Hard Questions".

Just pointing out the con and sitting back is a sign of a lazy mind. The important thing to ask is: does this decision have positive karma? Does it do more good for more people while doing less harm to less people (because guaranteed someone is going to get the short end of any decision). A decision that saves 1000 lives but costs 10 people a buck is a good one. A decision that saves 1000 people 10 bucks but kills 10 people is a bad one. And so on.

So, on balance, is this decision a good one or a bad one? And why? (Note that I know nothing about this one so I have no opinion on it).
I completely agree who you! I was just disappointed to see that the site shows all of Obama's "good doing" rather than showing the cause and effect of each decsion in an unbiased way.

Altho I know that's a lot to ask for.
11-04-2010 03:41 PM
Donutz
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Originally Posted by Karasene View Post
Yes the site does make some valid positive points but there are two sides to every story. For instance Obama may have signed a bill on student loans and heath care coverage to those under the age of 26. Sounds great, however the cost would be the loss of jobs and higher tuitions.
I see that kind of objection all the time, in both US and Canadian politics, as if making a decision that has an actual Down Side is a Bad Thing. I think that it's very likely that ANY decision that ANY politician makes (or anyone else for that matter) has pros and cons. The decisions that involve only pros, or that are so one-sided that they're not even worth debating are called "Easy Questions", and they've been decided decades if not centuries ago. Now we're left with what are called "Hard Questions".

Just pointing out the con and sitting back is a sign of a lazy mind. The important thing to ask is: does this decision have positive karma? Does it do more good for more people while doing less harm to less people (because guaranteed someone is going to get the short end of any decision). A decision that saves 1000 lives but costs 10 people a buck is a good one. A decision that saves 1000 people 10 bucks but kills 10 people is a bad one. And so on.

So, on balance, is this decision a good one or a bad one? And why? (Note that I know nothing about this one so I have no opinion on it).
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