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12-13-2010 06:06 PM
Cavman
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Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
Allows what to continue? Dealing accordingly with an underage and uncooperative kid smoking, giving an officer a hard time, and being physically resistant? So do you think Mark's feels it was worth it to hang around the scene instead of quietly leaving and going about his own business? He had nothing to gain by sticking around.
I meant that sometimes police over extend themselves, then used trumped up charges to try and cover their actions. If police, and by that I mean the less than professional ones, realised that in today's world cameras are everywhere then their actions would and should be beyond reproach.

De-escalation techniques are required for all police. If they can't handle a little razzing whilst they do their job, then they are in the wrong profession. If they want the public in todays world to respect them and the uniform, then they need to earn it and not expect it.

Just watching that video demonstrated to me that the female officer did not have control of the offender or the situation. Her partner!!! where ever the hell he was and her should have removed him from the group and dealt with him seperately. Defusing the situation quickly. Holding him one handed against a bus with a baton out is NOT a recognised Use of Force.

This is an over reaction by the officer over a simple smoking offence. If she decided that the offender needed to be arrested then she should have done so and removed him quickly from the scene, not made a show and allowed herself to be ridiculed for it.

As she said, it was her partner who preferred the charge against this boy, not her.

I am sorry, but bad people always show off in front of their mates and will always give the police a hard time. Don't blame the crap head kid for being a crap head, he is what he is and the police officer should know and be trained in how to deal with people like him, thats her job.
12-13-2010 05:22 PM
trucktown
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
If you get pulled over for a minor traffic offense, you play it cool even if the officer is a major prick. Only a moron gives an officer attitude; it never ends well. You fight those battles in a court room, not on the street with the officer.
Truer words are rarely spoken.

I love it when people think that they can mitigate charges by expressing to the officer that they "know their rights" and/or acting uncooperative. You have very little power during a traffic stop or any interaction with an officer for that matter. Your best bet is to always keep your cool despite how unjust they're acting.

If you're truly dedicated toward playing the system then I would suggest manipulation (haha). I recall a time in school when I was dumb and carried weed everywhere. Like any 17yr old kid I was eventually pulled over for something minor and the cop smelled bud. Naturally, they ransacked my car, found the bag, and began asking questions. Despite the fact that I was ignorant for carrying s*it around with me, I was completely familiar with the repercussions of marijuana possession in CA: a misdemeanor...but still something that could make life annoying for awhile as a minor. Instead of giving the generic teenager response of "that isn't mine", I admitted that it was and continued to act extremely nervous while asking the cop "how long am I going to go to jail?". The eyes of the officer seriously lit up and he gave me some answer like "WELL, I HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET." I continued to feed in to the guys ego by saying my school council would kick me out, my career would be ruined, and any other BS I could conjure while I had his attention.

To make a long story short the cop ended up making me dump the bud out in a sewer drain and wrote me a fix-it ticket for a cracked windshield - nothing else. I've used a similar strategy in all interactions I've ever had with law enforcement and its worked beautifully every-single-time.
12-12-2010 06:05 PM
Phenom ^^^ Exactly. The last thing you ever want to do is make an officer feel unsafe or threatened, whether you're 100% guilty of breaking the law or 100% innocent. While I do feel the punishment given to Marks is too severe, his presence alone in this scenario added to the tension of the situation and the officer's discomfort and was completely avoidable for him.
12-12-2010 04:09 PM
Phenom
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Originally Posted by Cavman View Post
I hope he doesn't. If everyone who sees this sort of thing simply walks on by then it allows it to continue. The truth will come out and he will be cleared.
Allows what to continue? Dealing accordingly with an underage and uncooperative kid smoking, giving an officer a hard time, and being physically resistant? So do you think Mark's feels it was worth it to hang around the scene instead of quietly leaving and going about his own business? He had nothing to gain by sticking around.
12-12-2010 02:32 PM
Cavman
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Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
The kid up against the bus sure looks like a nice fella . I bet the Marks kid will just move it along next time.
I hope he doesn't. If everyone who sees this sort of thing simply walks on by then it allows it to continue. The truth will come out and he will be cleared.
12-12-2010 03:10 AM
Phenom The kid up against the bus sure looks like a nice fella . I bet the Marks kid will just move it along next time.
12-11-2010 02:41 AM
Muki He should really pull his shorts up.
12-10-2010 10:32 PM
Flick Montana Sometimes I want to punch and pepper spray people who smoke in non-smoking areas. I want to feel bad for the kid, but my inner person is fist-pumping.
12-10-2010 09:30 PM
AngryHugo ....and beating and pepper spraying someone smoking is fine? The proper response should be "Dude, smoking's not allowed there. Put it out."
12-10-2010 09:13 PM
roremc What the hell? So the guy with the phone is in jail but the guy who was smoking and pushed up against the bus was not charged? How does that work? And they wonder why people hate cops!
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