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12-14-2010 01:40 PM
HoboMaster Obviously this would require a major flush of government corruption, something that is terribly hard to do because people are so easily bought, not to mention many are actually directly working for corporations. Unfortunetly with really any country, those who have the money gain the power to turn lies into truth and truth into lies.

At this point in time I honestly don't know how we would overcome the "Bourgeois", revolution comes to mind but the problem is that as a country we have never been more divided between ourselves. There is also the added complexity that in past history, revolutions were aimed at a government because the government and only the government was in charge of whatever was disagreeable. Here the corporations are playing the job of the puppeteer, and the government is their puppet. They are confusing the simple minded into blaming the government, which is in reality simply a duel-personality for the corporation.

In other words, they can puppet people into throwing a revolution vs. the current government, but afterwards the corporations are still there, and they are still in control of the new government.

The average American's intelligence and perception has dropped so dramatically that the majority of the population can be puppeted into whatever the corporations want. Fact is, when you have a revolution, majority wins, and if the majority is a bunch of morons, you can't win.

Scary 1984 Shit man.
12-14-2010 12:55 PM
KIRKRIDER Yes but then what happens to them? When the Supreme Court rules in their favor BECAUSE they are on their paybook? I haven't seen a single individual from BP in jail yet. But I'm sure that if I blow up a gas station by mistake and kill a dozen people in the process I would be in jail the same night.
12-14-2010 10:35 AM
HoboMaster
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how about be pissed at the gov't for outsourcing military operations to private corporations. of course, the only reason then even do that is as a loophole to get around international treaties and rules that military's are held to while these contractors arent
And that's the big problem. Corporations have way too much power, and they have the ability to manipulate government into letting them do whatever they want because tons of senate and congress positions are also chairmen/CEO's/Board Members of huge corporations.

Conflict of interest much?

On the flip side, I would be stoked if Wikileaks keeps releasing Private Corporation scandals. Right now they think they are invincible and can buy anyone's mouth, let's tell them they are wrong, we are watching, and their days of tyranny are over.
12-13-2010 11:10 PM
Shocktroop531 how about be pissed at the gov't for outsourcing military operations to private corporations. of course, the only reason then even do that is as a loophole to get around international treaties and rules that military's are held to while these contractors arent
12-13-2010 10:25 PM
KIRKRIDER Of course. The point is not that the crime happens, but that it happens under US laws! Or lack of them as a concession to that corporation from the USA.
But again so goes the world, it's just that now we all know about it, in real time.
12-13-2010 09:43 PM
HoboMaster You guys do realize that the one who ordered the party was the private contractor, or in other words a private corporation who is paid by the government for their services. The corporation can do whatever they want with the money as long as they deliver whatever the service is. While your tax-dollars did fund this, the government did not "order" this and the liability remains in the corporations hand.

My point is if you want to be pissed at someone, be pissed at the private corporation. Of course if they aren't prosecuted by the government for this, then the government is just as liable for blame.
12-13-2010 07:16 PM
KIRKRIDER
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I think Noam Chomsky was pretty spot on when he said back in 2001 that the United States was the world's all time leading state sponsor of terrorism. It caused an outrage at the time, but the more you peel back the layers of the onion, the more it appears to be true.

"Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it."
— Noam Chomsky
well..just read the last 50 years of history...Facts speak for themselves.
12-13-2010 05:34 PM
snowjeeper munky is just being contrary like usual and he knows exactly what I mean.
12-13-2010 03:41 PM
Shocktroop531
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Just trying to figure out your qualifier for being the 'bad guys' and earning the honor of one of your thread topics versus just being merely organized baby rapers instead of the 'bad guys'.
hmmm... ya think maybe us paid contractors and soldiers going into towns and committing child rape and molestation of innocent civilians could qualify us as bad guys?

or maybe if that doesn't do it for ya, how bout our indiscriminate carpet bombing of civilian households in Iraq and Afghanistan? wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians at the hands of US bombs . funny ya don't see those type of stories on foxnews too often. Pres. Bush himself admitted that tens of thousands of people have been killed at the hands of the US since the beginning of the Iraq invasion.
12-13-2010 02:36 PM
MunkySpunk That certainly never stopped non-Americans from coming down on us here.

Anyway, so it's no big deal that an entire centuries-old child prostitution culture has become so ingrained in Afghanistan that they've actually got proper names for their molestation parties because you don't pay Afghan taxes or because it's not in the U.S., is that what you're saying?

To hell with the little Afghan boys, a predatory culture, lifelong scars, the perpetuation of an unspeakable cyclical practice of atrocities and kidnapping... That's all OK and besides the point as long as your tax money doesn't pay for it?

Just trying to figure out your qualifier for being the 'bad guys' and earning the honor of one of your thread topics versus just being merely organized baby rapers instead of the 'bad guys'.
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