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01-25-2011 07:59 PM
rasmasyean
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post
Most responsible adults prepare for shit. That's how one becomes a professional, not by just skating by.

Edit: "Being responsible" implies being prepared for work and school, wouldn't you say? It doesn't have to mean one's a genius.
I guess it depends on what standard you place on "being responsible" and "prepared". IMO, most people aren't really prepared as best as they can be. That's why there's always going to be the few who excel in thier work faster than others. Most A students aren't "geniuses". But there are fewer of them nevertheless than the overwhelming amount of C students. In work and life, you can think of this the same way too. There are a few who would "read parenting books" like suggested, but the brunt of people are "C parents".
01-25-2011 06:03 PM
Toecutter
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Originally Posted by Donutz View Post
Yeah, one of the inevitable results of our litigious society is that there's the feeling that any time anything bad happens, it has to be someone's fault, and someone has to pay. Fell off a ladder? The ladder company should have explained gravity better. Cross the street between intersections at night wearing dark clothes? The driver should have psychically known your intentions. Get hit by a meteorite? The govmint shouldn't have cancelled project eyeball.

Sometimes shit just happens. Sometimes everyone is acting reasonably and someone still gets hurt. Sometimes a tree just falls on you. It's not fair, it's not just, it's not deserved. It's life.
Lawsuit or not, I blame the snowboarder. A tree just falls. A snowboarder does not just accidentally go 50+ mph.
01-25-2011 06:01 PM
Toecutter
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Could have sworn it was the boarder who's helmet flew off and neither mother nor child had a helmet on. At any rate, it really wouldn't have mattered. I just brought up the helmet thing to point out that even had she worn one, same results would have happened.

I still don't blame the boarder completely. You say he should have been aware of the party below him. How do we know he even saw them take that run? He could have gone off the lift well after they began their run. It is not anyone's responsibility to keep track of every single person on the lift and make sure you watch them get off to see which run they take. It's not even feasible.

I stand by my statement that both parties made a sad mistake. Whether or not the girl should have been on there is questionable. Whether or not she had the time to pick her ski up and move over instead of putting it on at the spot is questionable. Whether or not the boarder noticed the mother and daughter after getting off the lift is questionable. Whether or not he was out of control is questionable.

Freak accident. Both parties were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You watched the video, right? The run is straight as an arrow, with nothing in the middle except for a gentle hump.

Lawsuit or not, I blame him completely for the death of a little girl.
01-25-2011 05:58 PM
Toecutter
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Originally Posted by rasmasyean View Post
Well if you think about it, most ppl aren't prepared for school or work. They just do enough to get by. Disregarding those ppl who are geniuses or whatever, how many ppl work to get A's or work extra hard to know everything about the profession?
Most responsible adults prepare for shit. That's how one becomes a professional, not by just skating by.

Edit: "Being responsible" implies being prepared for work and school, wouldn't you say? It doesn't have to mean one's a genius.
01-25-2011 12:45 PM
Donutz
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Originally Posted by Leo View Post
Freak accident. Both parties were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Yeah, one of the inevitable results of our litigious society is that there's the feeling that any time anything bad happens, it has to be someone's fault, and someone has to pay. Fell off a ladder? The ladder company should have explained gravity better. Cross the street between intersections at night wearing dark clothes? The driver should have psychically known your intentions. Get hit by a meteorite? The govmint shouldn't have cancelled project eyeball.

Sometimes shit just happens. Sometimes everyone is acting reasonably and someone still gets hurt. Sometimes a tree just falls on you. It's not fair, it's not just, it's not deserved. It's life.
01-25-2011 12:29 PM
Leo
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post
Point of technicality: the girl was wearing a helmet. He hit her so hard the helmet flew off her head.
Could have sworn it was the boarder who's helmet flew off and neither mother nor child had a helmet on. At any rate, it really wouldn't have mattered. I just brought up the helmet thing to point out that even had she worn one, same results would have happened.

I still don't blame the boarder completely. You say he should have been aware of the party below him. How do we know he even saw them take that run? He could have gone off the lift well after they began their run. It is not anyone's responsibility to keep track of every single person on the lift and make sure you watch them get off to see which run they take. It's not even feasible.

I stand by my statement that both parties made a sad mistake. Whether or not the girl should have been on there is questionable. Whether or not she had the time to pick her ski up and move over instead of putting it on at the spot is questionable. Whether or not the boarder noticed the mother and daughter after getting off the lift is questionable. Whether or not he was out of control is questionable.

Freak accident. Both parties were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
01-25-2011 12:21 PM
rasmasyean
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My nightmare is being put in charge of other peoples' kids that have learned to not listen to adult commands. We have some friends whose parenting skills completely suck, and their out-of-control kids are the product of their weak effort and skills. For god's sake, what else has a more profound and lasting impact than the way one raises his/her kids? Read a freaking book already! Responsible people wouldn't think of being totally unprepared for school or work, yet many of those same people just "wing it" when it comes to parenting.
Well if you think about it, most ppl aren't prepared for school or work. They just do enough to get by. Disregarding those ppl who are geniuses or whatever, how many ppl work to get A's or work extra hard to know everything about the profession? In fact, most ppl are average joes who rather sit in front of prime time TV (often dual weilding beer and remote) vs. doing homework or keeping up with the field.

It's human nature to "conserver energy" (ehem...laziness). That's why there are leaders and trailers.
01-25-2011 12:18 PM
gjsnowboarder I found out last night that the mother was from my home town and went to school with my little sister. Small world.

I would like to take this moment to mention that choices that are made have consequences and that we all live in a social world with other people.

The boarder should have been more aware of what was below him.

I work at a ski resort and BLACK run doesn't just mean difficult terrain. It also means ADVANCE riders. There are very few young children at the age of five that have the cognitive abilities let alone the phycial development to be on a run with other advance riders. Advance riders tend to travel at higher speeds. When a lower level rider rides terrain that is above there ability level emotionally, physically, or cognitively they are OVER terrrained.

Taking the above into consideration I also don't think the mother and child should have been on that particular run either.

Too many people these days keep making risky decisions when it comes to riding. I'm not saying not to have fun and challenge yourself or your children. But make those decisions informed. Take in the risk vs reward. Its about progressing to the level of that challenge. You don't learn calculus without first knowing how to add and subtract.

This was a tradegy that could have been avoided by both parties. It is amazing too me that this kind of incident doesn't happen more often. Just watching from the chairlift riding up for a small resort or at a world class destination resort my eye test tells me that as a whole people are getting worse. So please make sure that when you are out with your friends and family that everyonce in awhile you review The Code or make decisions on the hill that keep you safe. Especially if you are teaching a newb how to ride. Cause they won't know.
01-25-2011 11:04 AM
Donutz
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My nightmare is being put in charge of other peoples' kids that have learned to not listen to adult commands. We have some friends whose parenting skills completely suck, and their out-of-control kids are the product of their weak effort and skills.
I used to do volunteer lunch-hour monitoring at my daughter's elementary school (private school -- had to earn volunteer hours every term). There were kids like that, that would either simply ignore an order or turn, look at you with disdain, then go back to what they were doing. My solution was to literally get right in their face. I'd stand right on whatever it is they were trying to do, put my face 4 inches from theirs, and repeat slowly with what could only loosely be described as a smile. Yeah, it sounds like being an asshole, but when you're dealing with a kid who has learned that adults will go away if you ignore them, you have to make sure they understand you mean business. The only kid I ever had to do that with more than once was actually on the autistic spectrum, so understandable in his case.

My wife is a preschool teacher, and is magic with kids. She can take the nastiest little twerp and turn him into a polite, pleasant little tike in a couple of sessions. The most common comment she gets from parents is "Who is that and where have you put my Timmy?"
01-24-2011 11:01 PM
Toecutter
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Originally Posted by rasmasyean View Post
Yeah, little kids are dangerous. Sometimes give you a heart attack when you're "in charge" of them. They like stop in the middle of the trail when they are tired. They don't watch where they are going and just run into ppl. Most of the time they just bounce off thier legs but still.
My nightmare is being put in charge of other peoples' kids that have learned to not listen to adult commands. We have some friends whose parenting skills completely suck, and their out-of-control kids are the product of their weak effort and skills. For god's sake, what else has a more profound and lasting impact than the way one raises his/her kids? Read a freaking book already! Responsible people wouldn't think of being totally unprepared for school or work, yet many of those same people just "wing it" when it comes to parenting.
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