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12-30-2010 10:56 PM
Grizz
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Originally Posted by AAA View Post
Carved runs leaves pencil thin trenches
Not always, as outlined in many posts above.
12-30-2010 09:33 AM
AAA Skidded turns leave a swath of mashed snow. Carved runs leaves pencil thin trenches, as in this photo, which were made by half a dozen carvers over the course of a morning. 'Tis a thing of beauty, isn't it?

12-30-2010 08:15 AM
baldylox I see what you are getting at. Thanks for clearing that up.
12-30-2010 01:46 AM
rasmasyean
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Originally Posted by DiamondCarver View Post
If someone could explain this 'unweighting' term that would be great.
Jump and you have just up-unweighted.

Squat real fast and you have just down-unweighted. If you do this fast enough, your feet would even come off the ground...which I guess would be called something like 100% down unwieghting or something.
12-30-2010 12:54 AM
Karasene
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Originally Posted by DiamondCarver View Post
If someone could explain this 'unweighting' term that would be great.
"Unweighting" descibed by Snowolf in another thread. I'm sure this will help.


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Originally Posted by Jeklund View Post
I think you should reread the post he said that "Slashing" can be used as an effective braking technique not for turn initiation.



I'm having issues with this aspect of my riding, my problem has to do with part of the turn initiation. Once i get my edge set I seem to be able to hold it throughout the turn but it's during my edge change and getting that edge set is where the issues arise. It almost seems as if my rear leg rides really heavy(Not in the sense that I'm riding backseat) and struggles to come around. I think a better way of explaining it is that my read leg seems to take a larger than normal turning radius and does so very slow. It's not as much of a problem when I'm in an open area as i can just grind out the turn over a larger area. But when I'm in the trees is where it's really an issue as I just don't have as much room to complete my turn and require a quick edge to edge transition. I'm just more less wondering how i can bring that rear leg around quicker and set my edge to prevent slipping down the hill? I'm thinking it has something to down with unweighting but I'm having troubles understanding the whole concept and how to do it.

Try a couple of things:

First, work on using a down unweighting maneuver versus up unweighting. An up unweight is basically a rapid extension of the lower body to pop up thus momentarily unweighting the board. A down unweight involves a sudden dropping of the upper by by rapidly flexing ankles, knees and hips. When you do this rapidly, there is a briefer period of "weightlessness" and your board remains in contact with the surface. On steep terrain, this keeps your entire body lower and closer to the slope, improving your overall balance. The down unweight to make the edge change is a huge help for making these very quick and positive edge changes with minimul time where the board is not weighted on the snow.

Secondly, start playing around with good fore-aft movements. This accomplishes what the kicking of the tail out weakly tries to accomplsh only much easier, more efficiently and way more effectively with the added benefit of maintaining a good set edge in the snow. Unweighting the tail is what causes the board chatter at the bottom of turn.

So, when you come out of one turn and are ready to make your quick, positive edge change, rapidly drop toward your board and use the ankles (angulation) to accomplish the edge change. As soon as this occurrs, you are initiating the turn and your weight should be shifted forward over the front foot. The reason for this is that you want to get that edge set early in the turn and the added weight up front does this very well.

As your board enters the fall line in the control phase of the turn, shift your weight aft of center to set up for good, quick turn completion. The reason for this is that as your travel through the control phase to the completion phase, your momentum down the hill combined with your weight, combined with the centrifugal force generated by the turn all come together at the bottom of the turn with a hell of a lot of force trying to break your edge free uncontrollably down the hill. The increased weight aft greatly increases the edge hold and drag and keeps the skidded turn very controllable

I just worked with this tonight to negotiate medium sized bumps on a 40 degree pitch in one of our bowls. It is amazing how quickly the board turns in control and how slow you come out of each turn. I was able to ride a zipper line down through the bumps; riding the troughs created by skier`s lines and was able to manage speed giving me the time to turn the board around between bumps.
12-29-2010 11:59 PM
theusername
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Originally Posted by cifex View Post
If you look at your snowboard from the top, the sides are not straight. The board is narrower at the middle and if you continued the path the edge takes it would form a circle on each side.

oh, thanks, and the picture was really helpful too
12-29-2010 11:39 PM
baldylox
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
A true carve has no skid and the track should be about 1/2 the width of your board.
Half the width? I'd say it's about equal to the thickness of the board. Wider depending on the depth of the snow.
12-29-2010 11:37 PM
baldylox
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Originally Posted by theusername View Post
what's a sidecut?
If you look at your snowboard from the top, the sides are not straight. The board is narrower at the middle and if you continued the path the edge takes it would form a circle on each side.

12-29-2010 11:27 PM
DiamondCarver If someone could explain this 'unweighting' term that would be great.
12-29-2010 11:09 PM
theusername
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True carving takes quite a bit of practice and riding experience to get decent at so don`t rush things too fast. Work on improving your skidded turns and dynamic skidded turns, then move on to carving.

To answer your question, in the most basic definition a carved turn is a turn where the rider uses tilt to engage the sidecut and allows the sidecut to execute the turn where the tail follows in the same track as the nose.

Our skidded turns allow the tail to travel in a bigger arc than the nose and it skids throughout the turn. All of my turns in that video were still skidded turns even though the amount of skid was reduced.

To start playing around with a carved turn, pick a nice open are with a gentle pitch. For your first basic carved turns, use inclination (leaning of the entire body) to initiate your turns. In these turns, both feet manipulate the board simultaneously to tilt it on its edge. Once the board is tilted, the sidecut will initiate the turn and you can regulate the radius of the turn through your edge angle. Keep your shoulders and hips aligned with the board and your weight between your bindings. Your goal is to use turn shape to control speed and not allow the tail to break free and skid to the outside of the turn.
I keep rereading that but don't understand :/
what's a sidecut? I think that's why I have no idea what to make of that answer. you keep using that word and i can only guess what it means, I really have no idea for sure though.

Also, what's flexing and extending or something like that? The instructor I was with today and the last few days who is trying to teach me to carve kept saying that but never explained what it means.

And last thing, after the snowstorm here a few days ago there are a lot of bumps on the snow, and whenever I try to carve and get to those bumps I freeze up because if I just ignore them I start jumping up and down and up and down and I end up flying onto the snow. What should I do to keep myself more in control when it gets bumpy? I tried bending my knees more but it doesn't seem to help so much.
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