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01-14-2011 09:38 PM
snowjeeper lol russia is hilarious.
01-14-2011 07:45 AM
MunkySpunk Hey look, another foreigner with all the right ideas about how to run the U.S.... and look who it is.

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01-13-2011 07:45 PM
Phenom
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Because they use more of my tax money on their own health care all because they can't take care of themselves, kind of like smokers.
I've thought about that in the past. Believe me, I think it sucks ass that people are paying for the fatass that gets hospitalized multiple times due to heart attack scares and his life supply of insulin, but there's nothing we can do about it. These people are literally killing themselves for the sake of laziness, indulgence, and convenience, and they don't care enough to do anything about it. There's nothing we can do, no nutritional movement or initative that will change anything, unless we make it legally acceptable to tie people to a table and feed them nothing but vegetables. It's a fight that can't be won, but in the end they have the right to eat whatever they want.
01-13-2011 07:31 PM
nzboardlife
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Why does it bother you if other people want to be fat? I'd never let myself get to that point, but it doesn't bother me if they do.
Because they use more of my tax money on their own health care all because they can't take care of themselves, kind of like smokers.
01-13-2011 04:54 PM
Phenom
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Yea, but very few people are on that level where their weight is mostly muscle mass.
You don't need much muscle at all to throw the chart off.

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It's not healthy and it's a waste of a life to be seriously overweight. We shouldn't just act like it's no big deal, because it is. You go to the midwest and nearly everyone is at least overweight, (got a sizable gut).
This goes along with the obesity "epidemic" that politicians and nutritionists keep talking about. Why does it bother you if other people want to be fat? I'd never let myself get to that point, but it doesn't bother me if they do. When I think epidemic, I thing diseases or something. Something that people can barely avoid. Not something that is 99% of the time a direct result of lifestyle choices that has a clear and simple solution for fixing. Why is it a big deal exactly?
01-13-2011 04:48 PM
Phenom
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Because this doesn't convey confidence or add anything new and if you were clued up i'd have expected you to drop some knowledge in at least one of your 4 or 5 last posts. Also the dunno symbol leads me to believe you don't know
You just didn't detect the smartassness is my post.
01-13-2011 09:41 AM
Biggs
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Yea, but very few people are on that level where their weight is mostly muscle mass. If you compare the number of overweight and obese people from 1970, and 2010, it's a huge difference. Our culture supports it, everything is about convenience, and doing shit fast because you have no time to do any normal things like cook or exercise.

Shit, I noticed a huge difference in the last 10 years. I use to be like 1 of 5 fat kids in my whole elementary school, and now I'm skinny and the tables have turned, making me a minority again amongst a bunch of chubby young adults. Wtf

It's not healthy and it's a waste of a life to be seriously overweight. We shouldn't just act like it's no big deal, because it is. You go to the midwest and nearly everyone is at least overweight, (got a sizable gut).
I say again, I'm not debating that our country is fat. I DO believe that it's not nearly as bad as it is made out to be. Is it bad? Sure, but is it at a catastrophic level? I don't believe the sky is falling yet.

You don't have to be a body builder to have enough muscle mass to weigh 180-200 pounds if you're in the average 5'10-6'00 range. Wolfie has a 34 waist and is considered overweight. I've got a 32 waist and I'm considered overweight. On the other end of the spectrum, a 5'10 tall man can weigh 130 and be classified as healthy? That's absurd -- he'd be gaunt and look like one of those coked out female french models. The chart simply has problems.

In relation to the rest of the world, again -- I'm not denying our country is fat. But if we're all going to be called fat (including myself and a few other posters here, according to the chart), then the chart needs to be reworked OR doctors could take an ACTUAL BMI reading and get, you know, real results instead of speculations.

On a semi-related note, it's humorous to see how hard people/doctors/media pushes for women to not starve themselves to look like models and girls on TV, yet the chart they use to justify 'healthy vs. unhealthy' would lead many of those same women to look in the sub-120 range to be classified as 'healthy'.
01-13-2011 08:41 AM
Flick Montana lol, I'm 6'3 190 lbs. They say that is the healthy range, but they haven't seen the way I jiggle when I brush my teeth. Oh well, marathon training starts in 2 weeks. Here's hoping I don't have a heart attack.
01-13-2011 07:04 AM
baldylox Those stats are pretty horrifying.
01-13-2011 05:00 AM
razzle I can answer this one. America is simply at the fat, rich stage of its development as a society.

Hear me out. I'm only half serious but I think there is truth in this argument. The story goes like this:

You find a new continent that is not being used to its full potential so you colonise it and create a completely new society from scratch. People come to your "Land of Plenty" and for a couple of hundred years they work hard because they are motivated by building their new nation. Some find ways to tap unexploited riches in the land and they become an example to the rest who work hard for the "Dream." Huge wealth is created during this growth phase but it is not widely distributed.

Eventually people realise that the dream is pretty much exhausted so they look for other ways to catch up. They form trade unions and win more equitable conditions for the working class thereby creating a massive middle class and establishing a consumer age in the economy. Wealth is still created but it is widely distributed and increasing standards of living fund consumption. Wages rise so prices rise in a vicious cycle so consumer goods begin coming in from less developed countries that have cost advantages.

When you operate in a high cost environment, there are few ways to compete with low cost environments. You either work harder (for the same money) or you develop technological advantages that boost your efficiency. Neither of these work forever.

Your workers still feel rich but their standard of living gradually declines as they lose jobs or work harder and harder to keep up. They sacrifice leisure time, health and family to produce the efficiencies that they need to to enable them to continue to consume at their previous rate.

This is about where the US is at the moment. People are tired, fat, unhealthy and confused relative to 50 years ago.

I have no idea where the story goes from here but plenty of empires have risen and fallen throughout history. The difference is that it hasn't happened on a global scale, at least not in recorded history.

When it comes down to it, people only need food and shelter. All the rest is artificial. Most of our careers and industries and economic endeavour are simply providing luxuries that didn't exist a few generations ago. I can't see it all disappearing but I can't see it going on forever either.

Sorry for the long post.
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