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03-07-2011 04:57 PM
zeeden My first 2 years I was using a camber board, just got a burton custom v-rocker on sale last year and I am loving it. I ride 90% on hard pack groomers. I can bomb down mountains without being scared of catching an edge, turns our awesome, smooth as hell. It really does feel like I'm on a skateboard.

In a couple of weeks I'll be in some west coast powder, so we'll see how the board peforms out there.
03-07-2011 04:39 PM
Bones
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Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
The only rocker design that I've spent meaningful time on is NS's RC. I have been on others, but just a lap or two here and there. Not enough to fairly comment on them.

At first, I thought the RC seemed sketchy on groomers and hardpack. Before, I'd ridden camber exclusively. As I got more comfortable with the RC though, I actually don't feel that way any longer. You just have to lay into it a little harder. It doesn't bite as quick as camber does, but once you lay into it, it holds very well.
That's pretty similar to my experience as well. I'm not sure I'd describe it as having to "lay into it a little harder", but once I got used to the board and where the cambered tips engage, I found no real difference with edge hold on ice versus a camber. Basically because when the tips engage, your whole edge is pretty much in contact just like a camber.

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The biggest thing that opened my eyes to this was doing some tests using my GPS on speed.
I dropped from a fast 164 camber to a 161 NS SL-R. I notice a slight drop in flat out speed, but I attribute that to the shorter length, not the different tech. I've ridden slower cambered boards in a 161.
03-07-2011 04:11 PM
rasmasyean
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Originally Posted by schmitty34 View Post
so in your opinion, is it a really nice advantage to have some form of mtx paired with the various forms of RC?

I rode the raygun and had fun, and then found a Turbo Dream (just a better version of the Raygun) on sale at a local shop. I'm very tempted to buy, but I also wonder if I'd rather have my first RC board also have mtx or something like it to help the edge hold on hard pack.

I rode a btx board a little bit last year and it felt pretty nice carving.
I think the magnetraction is a must have if you encounter any hard/ice situations. Unless there is like some board with features you HAVE to have that you can't get with an equivalent MTX board, go for the MTX one. You won't be disappointed.

There will be those who claim they are so good and their edges are so sharp that it doesn't make a difference for them, but this is one feature where I say that's total BS. It's almost like saying shaped skis are useless when you are GOOD. You can argue that a good enough boarder doesn't need the forgivingness of RC and can press and butter out a cambered board easily, but I'd be really surprised if someone is so good they can make magnetraction redundant.

I always kept my edges sharp and now riding an MTX board, the worst I've slipped out on a surprise ice patch is like maybe putting my hand on the floor. And most of the time, it's carvable/skidable. And this is with a softer total RC board, which is supposed to reduce edge hold. And just the other day, it got icy and cold like at 3 PM and all my friends when to the lodge, and I skied by myself because...heck, I'm not going to lie and say that the ice wasn't a little slippier, but it's totally boarable on my flexy short skate banana. And I went on the last lift up too.

If you insist on going "racing speeds" (which prolly like <1% of the ppl actually do) there's actually boards with mellowed out magnetraction so that it won't slow you down as much with too many serations.
03-07-2011 12:23 PM
schmitty34
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Originally Posted by Qball View Post
Out of the designs I've ridden (camber, reverse camber, rocker/camber), I 100% prefer rocker camber. I've been riding a 09/10 never summer sl for a while now and just recently purchase a 2011 smokin superpark. I've had two days on the Superpark and I think I like Smokin's version (Clash Rocker) of rocker/camber better. It has a much more mellow rocker shape then the NS and the camber sections aren't quite as aggressive, so that pivot point in the middle is not as noticeable, if there at all, when flat basing. This paired with their version of magnetraction makes for one killer freestyle board. The edge hold is ridiculous on it.

so in your opinion, is it a really nice advantage to have some form of mtx paired with the various forms of RC?

I rode the raygun and had fun, and then found a Turbo Dream (just a better version of the Raygun) on sale at a local shop. I'm very tempted to buy, but I also wonder if I'd rather have my first RC board also have mtx or something like it to help the edge hold on hard pack.

I rode a btx board a little bit last year and it felt pretty nice carving.
03-05-2011 03:06 AM
Qball Out of the designs I've ridden (camber, reverse camber, rocker/camber), I 100% prefer rocker camber. I've been riding a 09/10 never summer sl for a while now and just recently purchase a 2011 smokin superpark. I've had two days on the Superpark and I think I like Smokin's version (Clash Rocker) of rocker/camber better. It has a much more mellow rocker shape then the NS and the camber sections aren't quite as aggressive, so that pivot point in the middle is not as noticeable, if there at all, when flat basing. This paired with their version of magnetraction makes for one killer freestyle board. The edge hold is ridiculous on it.
03-05-2011 02:19 AM
Nefarious
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Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
I took my RC Evo out first.
Tangent on the EVO. Did you detune your edges at all Linville? Been reading arguments for and against. Been searching and digging through threads. I just can't decide. I rode 3 days straight on a sharp camber without catching an edge on icepack. I think thats a testimony to my ability and thus is enough to not have to detune R/C.

This site is melting my brain. Too much to think about.
03-05-2011 01:57 AM
rasmasyean
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Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
The only rocker design that I've spent meaningful time on is NS's RC. I have been on others, but just a lap or two here and there. Not enough to fairly comment on them.

At first, I thought the RC seemed sketchy on groomers and hardpack. Before, I'd ridden camber exclusively. As I got more comfortable with the RC though, I actually don't feel that way any longer. You just have to lay into it a little harder. It doesn't bite as quick as camber does, but once you lay into it, it holds very well. The biggest thing that opened my eyes to this was doing some tests using my GPS on speed. I picked out a nice empty groomer with a nice drop of about a 1/4 of a mile. The conditions were choppy, but not too bad. I took my RC Evo out first. My best out of 3 runs was 48.5mph. I then grabbed my NS Heritage cambered plank that's an absolute bomber and got a best speed of 51.8mph. Not the huge difference I expected. The main difference between the two was that the Heritage ate up the chops and bumps better giving me the confidence to point it a little harder. Give me a stiffer RC board like the current Heritage and I don't think there would've been any difference.

I agree that RC doesn't seem as poppy, but I ollie like a bitch anyway. Seriously, my efforts are pathetic. I'm getting better but I still suck at it. And I'm a guy who had a 30" vertical in HS.

I agree with you on landing jumps. The RC design is definitely more forgiving. It doesn't absorb the impact as well, but there's less chance of catching an edge leading to a nasty slam.
I wonder if with that stiffer RC board and more fluffy snow conditions will you be faster because the board might skip the surface more vs. eat the bumps like the camber plank (which prolly slows you down a bit).
03-04-2011 01:43 PM
linvillegorge The only rocker design that I've spent meaningful time on is NS's RC. I have been on others, but just a lap or two here and there. Not enough to fairly comment on them.

At first, I thought the RC seemed sketchy on groomers and hardpack. Before, I'd ridden camber exclusively. As I got more comfortable with the RC though, I actually don't feel that way any longer. You just have to lay into it a little harder. It doesn't bite as quick as camber does, but once you lay into it, it holds very well. The biggest thing that opened my eyes to this was doing some tests using my GPS on speed. I picked out a nice empty groomer with a nice drop of about a 1/4 of a mile. The conditions were choppy, but not too bad. I took my RC Evo out first. My best out of 3 runs was 48.5mph. I then grabbed my NS Heritage cambered plank that's an absolute bomber and got a best speed of 51.8mph. Not the huge difference I expected. The main difference between the two was that the Heritage ate up the chops and bumps better giving me the confidence to point it a little harder. Give me a stiffer RC board like the current Heritage and I don't think there would've been any difference.

I agree that RC doesn't seem as poppy, but I ollie like a bitch anyway. Seriously, my efforts are pathetic. I'm getting better but I still suck at it. And I'm a guy who had a 30" vertical in HS.

I agree with you on landing jumps. The RC design is definitely more forgiving. It doesn't absorb the impact as well, but there's less chance of catching an edge leading to a nasty slam.
03-03-2011 07:59 PM
Lifprasir I'm LOVING my rocker. Every time I go snowboarding, there's always these moments where I'd be like "Dayum, if I was still on my camber board, I'd have ate BIG shit just now".
03-03-2011 07:41 PM
schmitty34
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Originally Posted by rasmasyean View Post
4. Not spin landings. Rocker is more forgiving and will wash out instead of putting you on your face. But if you’re precise and/or going “fast”, camber has better ability to lock onto the direction of travel.
Wasn't doing any spins, and I wasn't in the park. It was mostly little lips and drops in the trees. The landings ranged from steep and soft pack to flat and powder.

I have a tendancy to sometimes wash out a little and butt check after hitting a decent jump/drop with speed and then trying to initiate the next turn. It felt a little easier to do that with the Raygun.

Anyway, it was a fun ride for sure. I'm going to have to play around with other rocker variations to see what I may want with my next board.
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