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06-07-2011 10:04 PM
Karasene
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Originally Posted by oldbeefcake View Post
This is another example of people jumping into conclusions without knowing the full story. Yes, I'm talking to you OP.

It is a memorial, people need to show some respect. Respect to other visitors and respect to the country. If you don't like it, then don't fucking go there. Simple as that.
And what conclusion am I jumping to? I'm pretty sure I never stated who I thought was acting more out of line. I was only posting a video I thought to be slightly controversial because I enjoy reading the opinions of people on this forum.

Cheeseforsteeze I completely agree with you.
06-07-2011 01:13 PM
metric The lady in the video had hippie code pink skank written all over her.
06-03-2011 10:03 AM
oldbeefcake This is another example of people jumping into conclusions without knowing the full story. Yes, I'm talking to you OP.

It is a memorial, people need to show some respect. Respect to other visitors and respect to the country. If you don't like it, then don't fucking go there. Simple as that.
06-03-2011 09:37 AM
CheeseForSteeze I doubt such an ordinance is applicable. As I understand the parlance when the term public performance is invoked, it is meant for actual events where an audience or gathering is incited to attend to witness performance. Otherwise, simply taking ones relatives in a self-organized tour, shooting photos and the like could be considered public performances. Rather, ordinance against public performance exist because of the logistical problems associated with public performances: increased liklihood of damage, increased traffic and congestion, large scale noise and decreased access to national landmarks.

I don't necessarily agree with the purpose of their actions, but it doesn't mean that it citiable within the actual context of the ordinance allegedly being violated. They aren't causing any of the logistical problems (i.e. disruptions) associated with a "public performance" nor is it necessarily prudent to force an interpretation of their actions as a "public performance" just because what they are doing is being done specifically to try and frame officers in a certain light. LEOs are responsible for just that and only that; enforce the law both in spirit and letter.

I don't agree that any of the reasons give are good ones why they should stop and why they should be cited or ultimately arrested. Provocation of LEOs in a lawful manner isn't a reason to deflect the law and create a purpose for arresting someone.
06-03-2011 09:12 AM
Mooz
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Originally Posted by CheeseForSteeze View Post
It doesn't matter what their "intention" is. What matters is if they violated some local ordinance or statute. There isn't a statute or ordinance against "dancing" but rather against disruption or organized protest, and it's not statute, it's precedent. I cannot cite the docket that is applicable because I haven't been able to find it.

The problem is that it doesn't appear their behavior is disruptive whatsoever. It isn't damaging the memorial or impeding people's ability to use the building. So what exactly should they be arrested for? The fact that they are choosing to excercise a right purely for its own sake is irrelevant. The entire thing is dubious at best.
Actually, as a DC resident I can tell you there is an ordinance against public performances at certain landmarks. Which is exactly what this group was doing (with the intention of forcing a confrontation with DC park PD so they could make a viral "mah rights been abused!" video).

They could have gotten permission in advance (east to do), stopped when they were told to, or stopped when the officer tried to tell them "hey it's just a citation but I can't cite you if you live xxx miles away. I have to arrest you. Please stop".
06-01-2011 08:24 PM
SPAZ
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
I miss the 1980`s!
Now we use abandoned houses.
06-01-2011 05:13 PM
CheeseForSteeze It doesn't matter what their "intention" is. What matters is if they violated some local ordinance or statute. There isn't a statute or ordinance against "dancing" but rather against disruption or organized protest, and it's not statute, it's precedent. I cannot cite the docket that is applicable because I haven't been able to find it.

The problem is that it doesn't appear their behavior is disruptive whatsoever. It isn't damaging the memorial or impeding people's ability to use the building. So what exactly should they be arrested for? The fact that they are choosing to excercise a right purely for its own sake is irrelevant. The entire thing is dubious at best.
06-01-2011 09:15 AM
JeffreyCH Those people were/are idiots, I agree with Snowolf, it creates an escalation of the "us"vs. "them" mindset that is fucking things up for everyone else.

Prime example: We went camping a couple weeks ago at a local lake (keep in mind drinking is legal at the lakes here, just changed had been illegal for almost 20 years) We were camped next to group of 20somethings, and about 4pm a sheriffs cruiser pulls through real slow. We were the only 2 groups in the area, cop rolls right by us and stops by the group of kids, understandable, he checking id's. These kids wern't causing any problems at all, the 3 guys were fishing, and the 3 girls were just hanging out on the sand. Anyway, they started walking towards the parking lot, guys pulling thier wallets out, 2 girls digging in thier handbags and 1 girl had to get into her tent to get her wallet. The cop starts freaking out, yelling for her to get out of the tent. Started reaching for his gun as she was getting out, the poor girl was so flustered she kind of stumbled getting out of the tent. Cop grabs her, spun her around and slapped the cuffs on her then hauled her off to detox.

I watched the whole thing in disbelief. I guess maybe she should have went to the parking lot first and told the officer her id was in her tent. Still WTF, when you are doing nothing wrong you never really think of things like that, was just natural for her to go get her id when asked for it. that cop was so fucking paranoid, what did he think, a skinny little blond girl was gonna grab her gat and come out blazing?? Wish I had video of that, the d-bags in the vid had it coming and were looking for trouble, the young girl on the beach having beers with friends was not!! (and yes they were all over 21) I went over and talked to them, they were all bummed, didn't know anyone to call to sign her out of detox. I called one of my buddy's that was heading out anyway to stop, sign her out and give her a ride back out.
05-31-2011 10:41 PM
Zak "this is america, we can dance in a public place!"
and i could go dance at your dead grandmother's funeral, but i don't. even if i did, i would at least try to dance well.

police gave them more than ample warning, and they still acted like morons.


'merica.
05-31-2011 09:44 PM
SPAZ I wasn't trying to be a sheep with this. I did watch the entire video, however I didn't read the other posts. It was more so the principal that the cop used excessive force, don't forget he choked a man already on the ground. He could breath, but this is still an excessive use of force. I don't care about the police officer doing their job as much as I care about the loss of freedoms and violations of freedom of the press in the video as the cameraman is thrown out.

You still make a valid point though about freedom, I couldn't agree more.
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